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Re: Favorite Tomato
You may discover flavor has something to do with your own garden. For instance, Mel's mix has all of the nutrients for a great tomato, but it's just one part, the others being: adequate water, good light and warm temperatures (having originated in the tropics). If your present choices taste wonderful to you, why change? Or perhaps just add one new heirloom variety and compare. Nonna
Nonna.PapaVino- Posts : 1435
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR
Re: Favorite Tomato
Hey nonna, I am open to learn from you folks as I never gave much thought to why I plant what I do. I just liked the large tomatoes for slicing. Big boys are a large slicing type. The yellow ones for the lower acid content when I have eaten too many reds. I do know some years the toms are bitter and disappointing sometimes due to just the season. But it is easy to see that some of you have taken tomatoes very seriously and have made efforts to find the very best. This is what I am trying to gather from anyone willing to share.
The ones we usually find at Walmart, HyVee, and etc, are usually the hybrids. So if the heirlooms taste better, well, like they say there is always room for improvement. I want the very best that will grow in my Iowa region. I understand that not all the ones list here so far will perform well in Iowa, but there may be some that will.
Thanks to all have shared so far and hope some more will share their best tomato with us.
The ones we usually find at Walmart, HyVee, and etc, are usually the hybrids. So if the heirlooms taste better, well, like they say there is always room for improvement. I want the very best that will grow in my Iowa region. I understand that not all the ones list here so far will perform well in Iowa, but there may be some that will.
Thanks to all have shared so far and hope some more will share their best tomato with us.
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
Re: Favorite Tomato
Deriter
I am not sure where you are, but in this area I am told that the heirloom sell for almost twice what the hybrids sell for at the farmers markets. My SIL told me that they were 6 dollars a pound at her market, at least early in the year.
So that says something.... about flavour.
I am not sure where you are, but in this area I am told that the heirloom sell for almost twice what the hybrids sell for at the farmers markets. My SIL told me that they were 6 dollars a pound at her market, at least early in the year.
So that says something.... about flavour.
GWN- Posts : 2799
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 68
Location : british columbia zone 5a
Re: Favorite Tomato
Ok, now that is what I am talking about. If they can get almost double price for heirlooms, then there must be a difference that I should be looking for. I am in southern Iowa in zone 5 b. So I don't know how to sort out all these different toms for best regional performance. May just have to a trial and error test on each until I find the ones that work here!
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
Re: Favorite Tomato
I was surprised last summer to find some heirloom plants, Brandywine being one, at Costco of all places! Never know when you'll find just the right thing. And, for fine tomatoes, deriter, my understanding is Iowa is prime tomato growing real estate. Okay, so I'm a bit envious. Nonna, who is trying to bring in firewood between rain storms.
Nonna.PapaVino- Posts : 1435
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR
Re: Favorite Tomato
Nonna, we would welcome some of that rain. Its almost but forgot how to do that around here.
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
Re: Favorite Tomato
You know Deriter, the gardening zone has less to do with how tomatoes grow, than how hot it gets in the summer.
I used to live on coastal oregon, i am sure we were zone 9, but I could never grow tomatoes except in a green house because the summers never got warm. Now I am living at zone 5a and it gets very cold in the winter (down to -10 F) at least...... however it gets quite hot in the summer here, and so they seem to grow wonderfully here. They just need a bit of a head start indoors.
I used to live on coastal oregon, i am sure we were zone 9, but I could never grow tomatoes except in a green house because the summers never got warm. Now I am living at zone 5a and it gets very cold in the winter (down to -10 F) at least...... however it gets quite hot in the summer here, and so they seem to grow wonderfully here. They just need a bit of a head start indoors.
GWN- Posts : 2799
Join date : 2012-01-14
Age : 68
Location : british columbia zone 5a
Re: Favorite Tomato
I think last year it just got too hot and the rain was almost nonexistent. The other thing I did was started my toms way early. This year I am going to follow the book a little closer on the toms.
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
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Hi Deriter, I live in northwest Illinois and usually have no problem growing tomatoes. I grow only heirloom tomatoes, actually all the veggies I grow are heirlooms. Have you checked out Bakers creek, or Seedsavers exchange? oh, and Tomatofest has hundreds of heirloom and open polinated varieties of tomatoes. they all have great selection. Baker creek has reviews one there website.
I grow heirlooms not only for there flavor but also to protect them from being lost to the new hybrids and FrankenFoods( the gene spliced and diced by monsanto and then patented by them also known as GMO or genetically modified organism. its my way of trying to slow down big agra-business.
I have found that missouri pink love apple, mariannas peace, paul robeson, black cherry, carbon, and brandywines have always done good here. maybe that would give you a good starting point. but really there is a lot of personal preference. some people like real sweet tomatoes and some like the more tart old time tomato tastes. good luck picking your heirlooms.
Nonna,
I don't mean to correct you but just read about this from
Dr. Carolyn Male. "Actually Tomatoes are not tropical. They are from the highlands of Chile and Peru, mainly, where the temperatures are temperate, not steamy." ~ Carolyn Male
I grow heirlooms not only for there flavor but also to protect them from being lost to the new hybrids and FrankenFoods( the gene spliced and diced by monsanto and then patented by them also known as GMO or genetically modified organism. its my way of trying to slow down big agra-business.
I have found that missouri pink love apple, mariannas peace, paul robeson, black cherry, carbon, and brandywines have always done good here. maybe that would give you a good starting point. but really there is a lot of personal preference. some people like real sweet tomatoes and some like the more tart old time tomato tastes. good luck picking your heirlooms.
Nonna,
I don't mean to correct you but just read about this from
Dr. Carolyn Male. "Actually Tomatoes are not tropical. They are from the highlands of Chile and Peru, mainly, where the temperatures are temperate, not steamy." ~ Carolyn Male
pryz123- Posts : 35
Join date : 2013-01-08
Location : 5
Re: Favorite Tomato
Pryz, My misconception, sorry 'bout that. I do wonder what C. Male means by "highlands." How high? How cool? How wet? How long ago? We've found some varieties do well in this cool, wet, part of Oregon (about 800' elevation). Others turn toes up. For instance: Dagma's Perfection is huge with excellent flavor. Brandywine struggles and, even ripe, has a somewhat astringent flavor. From the raves posted by others on this forum, I'd guess Brandywine just doesn't like Saint Helens. Thanks for your information. Nonna
Nonna.PapaVino- Posts : 1435
Join date : 2011-02-07
Location : In hills west of St. Helens, OR
Re: Favorite Tomato
I agree with you pryz123 on the gmo stuff. Just another thought, do you battle with more diseases with the heirlooms than the hybrids? I had not thought about the issues between the two before. I guess if it not be much more of a problem then I am all for staying away from the gmo lines.
Last year I bought seeds from My Patriot Supply who seemed to to a very good job with my order.
Last year I bought seeds from My Patriot Supply who seemed to to a very good job with my order.
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
Re: Favorite Tomato
deriter wrote:Just another thought, do you battle with more diseases with the heirlooms than the hybrids? I had not thought about the issues between the two before. I guess if it not be much more of a problem then I am all for staying away from the gmo lines.
To be clear, Hybrids aren't the same as GMO. Hybrids aren't the enemy, they just don't produce seed that will (necessarily) grow the same plant that you expect.
Also, when you're GROWING your own food, you'd have to go out of your way to purchase seeds/seedlings that are GMO.
bwaynef- Posts : 128
Join date : 2012-03-18
Location : Clemson SC, zone 7b-8a
Re: Favorite Tomato
bwaynef wrote:
To be clear, Hybrids aren't the same as GMO. Hybrids aren't the enemy, they just don't produce seed that will (necessarily) grow the same plant that you expect..
That's a very good point. Every heirloom was a hybrid at some point way long ago (cross of two different tomatoes). In fact, it might be fun to try to create my own tomato crosses (aka hybrid) and who knows if over the years I find a good one, it's the next heirloom.
jmsieglaff- Posts : 252
Join date : 2012-04-15
Age : 43
Location : S. WI
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Nonna, I didn't know about the tomatoes not being tropical until recently either just thought I would post it scince it seems to be thought of that way. and yes the siberian tomatoes do better in the cool climates.
Deriter, I have been growing heirlooms for about 8 or 9 years now. I think I had one season that I had lost a couple of tomato plants due to disease. I didn't think it was that big of a deal because that rest of the tomato plants did just fine. some heirlooms show some disease resistance too. I guess you just have to research which ones. Like I say tomatofest has tons of info on there website and good discriptions of ther varieties too. I find it interesting to go threw them and pick out what I want to try.
bwaynef~ I know that hybrids are not GMOs. I was meaning that I try to grow and produce most of the food that we eat. I do this because most of the food in the grocery store is from GMOs. I also feel that by buying from and helping the heirloom movement that the big ag business gets less money in there pocket. Also, the more people that are aware of what goes on maybe things will begin to change.
Deriter, I have been growing heirlooms for about 8 or 9 years now. I think I had one season that I had lost a couple of tomato plants due to disease. I didn't think it was that big of a deal because that rest of the tomato plants did just fine. some heirlooms show some disease resistance too. I guess you just have to research which ones. Like I say tomatofest has tons of info on there website and good discriptions of ther varieties too. I find it interesting to go threw them and pick out what I want to try.
bwaynef~ I know that hybrids are not GMOs. I was meaning that I try to grow and produce most of the food that we eat. I do this because most of the food in the grocery store is from GMOs. I also feel that by buying from and helping the heirloom movement that the big ag business gets less money in there pocket. Also, the more people that are aware of what goes on maybe things will begin to change.
pryz123- Posts : 35
Join date : 2013-01-08
Location : 5
Re: Favorite Tomato
[quote= For instance: Dagma's Perfection is huge with excellent flavor. Brandywine struggles and, even ripe, has a somewhat astringent flavor. From the raves posted by others on this forum, I'd guess Brandywine just doesn't like Saint Helens. Nonna[/quote]
Nonna, Isn't funny how they can be that way. You would think that the production would change but not the taste. I would not have guessed that Brandywine would be like that. but then again, I have heard that in the south they love cherokee purple, but in the north its usually does not do as good.
I'm not sure exactly what the highlands climate is like either but you could research Carolyn Male and see if you could fine what she has to say? she is on the I dig my garden forum, and I think she usually answers questions too. She wont tell you what her favorites are thought. LOL
Nonna, Isn't funny how they can be that way. You would think that the production would change but not the taste. I would not have guessed that Brandywine would be like that. but then again, I have heard that in the south they love cherokee purple, but in the north its usually does not do as good.
I'm not sure exactly what the highlands climate is like either but you could research Carolyn Male and see if you could fine what she has to say? she is on the I dig my garden forum, and I think she usually answers questions too. She wont tell you what her favorites are thought. LOL
pryz123- Posts : 35
Join date : 2013-01-08
Location : 5
Re: Favorite Tomato
So at what point does a hybrid become able to produce the same fruit that it was? Let me try to say that another way, when can you save seeds and expect to get the same fruit as the parent?
deriter- Posts : 107
Join date : 2011-12-25
Age : 78
Location : Iowa - zone 5b
Re: Favorite Tomato
Not usually with a hybrid. Also the seed is hybridized usually to combat or resist some type of disease. If you plant the seed and it reverts it may nor longer have that resistance.deriter wrote:So at what point does a hybrid become able to produce the same fruit that it was? Let me try to say that another way, when can you save seeds and expect to get the same fruit as the parent?
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Favorite tomato
Hi Deriter,
Usually the tomato has to be open pollinated. then as long as there has not been any cross polination then it should be true to type. I have had pretty good luck. I do bag blossom and pick the best fruit to save seeds from. This is another reason that I love heirlooms. It is actually really fun and gives you a good feeling that you can save your own seed.
Usually the tomato has to be open pollinated. then as long as there has not been any cross polination then it should be true to type. I have had pretty good luck. I do bag blossom and pick the best fruit to save seeds from. This is another reason that I love heirlooms. It is actually really fun and gives you a good feeling that you can save your own seed.
pryz123- Posts : 35
Join date : 2013-01-08
Location : 5
Re: Favorite Tomato
deriter wrote:So at what point does a hybrid become able to produce the same fruit that it was? Let me try to say that another way, when can you save seeds and expect to get the same fruit as the parent?
With tomatoes, its usually the 8th generation of tomatoes before its generally accepted to be stable. Stability can happen sooner with a little luck and good selection.
bwaynef- Posts : 128
Join date : 2012-03-18
Location : Clemson SC, zone 7b-8a
Re: Favorite Tomato
Thanks Bwayne!
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Re: Favorite Tomato
I know this is an old topic but I just had to list my favorite, mortgage lifter. Huge, craggy, heirloom, and fantastic taste. And if you want a cherry, try ladybug. Tiny, prolific, and tomatoey tart, not sweet. I like my tomatoes tart. The ladybug is an heirloom I got a few year ago through a seed saver group, so you will have to search online.
northern.light.58- Posts : 1
Join date : 2013-02-24
Location : Minneapolis
Re: Favorite Tomato
northern.light.58 wrote:I know this is an old topic but I just had to list my favorite, mortgage lifter. Huge, craggy, heirloom, and fantastic taste. And if you want a cherry, try ladybug. Tiny, prolific, and tomatoey tart, not sweet. I like my tomatoes tart. The ladybug is an heirloom I got a few year ago through a seed saver group, so you will have to search online.
I may have to search that one out. I'm still looking for a cherry tomato for this year
Edit:
Found a hybrid at Park Seed
http://parkseed.com/tomato-ladybug-hybrid/p/05413-PK-P1/
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RoOsTeR- Posts : 4299
Join date : 2011-10-04
Location : Colorado Front Range
Re: Favorite Tomato
I like Sungold for yummy cherry. And Super Sonic for flavor. I think they may both be hybrid but I saved seeds anyway and they are growing great right now indoors - both 100% germination. We'll see what happens.
Rooster, I have a few Sungold left if you want to try them. PM me your address (I owe you some collard seeds, too).
CC
Rooster, I have a few Sungold left if you want to try them. PM me your address (I owe you some collard seeds, too).
CC
CapeCoddess- Posts : 6811
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Age : 68
Location : elbow of the Cape, MA, Zone 6b/7a
Re: Favorite Tomato
we loved these cherry tomatoes!!....our six year old grew them in his self watering container in MM.....it was a huge plant with Lots of fruit!
http://www.humeseeds.com/tmtosw.htm
happy gardening
rose
http://www.humeseeds.com/tmtosw.htm
happy gardening
rose
FamilyGardening- Posts : 2422
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Location : Western WA
Re: Favorite Tomato
This year went big on exploring 9 varieties I never grew before. Got reds, orange, white, and striped varieties. Driving me nuts as I can't wait to get started.
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