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Desert dwellers, UNITE!
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Kelejan
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donnainzone5
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audrey.jeanne.roberts
brainchasm
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Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Hi desert folks, and welcome again to the Southwestern Deserts regional forum!
I am your new regional host, brainchasm, and I’m hoping we can liven this place up a bit! Worst comes to worst, I’ll be posting here regardless, so feel free to keep me company.
As you may or may not know, here in the SW Deserts we have some pretty impressive challenges to gardening in general, and even square foot gardening. Raised beds and drip irrigation are practically designed for us and our arid environment, but our seasons, temperature extremes, and variable conditions mean that we are the outliers, and while Mel’s book is a wealth of information, we must experiment and innovate arguably the MOST of all the regions in order to get our crops. We are the pioneers! To boldly grow where no one has grown before!
So again welcome, and feel free to ask me anything. I am a wealth of (mostly useless) knowledge, but I do cough up a nugget or two of wisdom every so often.
I am your new regional host, brainchasm, and I’m hoping we can liven this place up a bit! Worst comes to worst, I’ll be posting here regardless, so feel free to keep me company.
As you may or may not know, here in the SW Deserts we have some pretty impressive challenges to gardening in general, and even square foot gardening. Raised beds and drip irrigation are practically designed for us and our arid environment, but our seasons, temperature extremes, and variable conditions mean that we are the outliers, and while Mel’s book is a wealth of information, we must experiment and innovate arguably the MOST of all the regions in order to get our crops. We are the pioneers! To boldly grow where no one has grown before!
So again welcome, and feel free to ask me anything. I am a wealth of (mostly useless) knowledge, but I do cough up a nugget or two of wisdom every so often.
brainchasm- Posts : 479
Join date : 2013-02-26
Age : 48
Location : Las Vegas, NV
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
While I am not technically in the desert, our summer is spent at 100 plus degrees for almost 3 months. It is not uncommon to have several periods of 108-110 degrees and our humidity runs quite low.
I'll be looking in to see what I can glean from your experience.
The most important thing I've learned is I use a heavy Ramial wood chip mulch to retain moisture. (Ramial wood chips are chipped from small branches and leaves. Not bark or core trunk wood). They hold tremendous moisture content and release it back as needed.
I'll be looking in to see what I can glean from your experience.
The most important thing I've learned is I use a heavy Ramial wood chip mulch to retain moisture. (Ramial wood chips are chipped from small branches and leaves. Not bark or core trunk wood). They hold tremendous moisture content and release it back as needed.
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Hey brainchasm, I didn't know you were a new host. Welcome to the hosting gig! I'd love to see more of your pictures and progress. Especially since where I'm at, we are essentially a desert climate come summer, with no rain and 90 to 100-110 degree summers.
Marc Iverson- Posts : 3637
Join date : 2013-07-05
Age : 63
Location : SW Oregon
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Audrey, Marc and Brainchasm, We are in three Regions, yet have similar micro-climates, no rain, hot summers. I'm trying to learn about other micros in my CA region. BC, I think you have a monsoon area in your region, AZ?
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Well, we have a monsoon season of sorts in Las Vegas, but other than trying to protect stuff from the wind, I don't think it contributes anything worthwhile as far as a growing season. But that wind...bad during monsoon season, worse in Spring.sanderson wrote:Audrey, Marc and Brainchasm, We are in three Regions, yet have similar micro-climates, no rain, hot summers. I'm trying to learn about other micros in my CA region. BC, I think you have a monsoon area in your region, AZ?
I think my sunflower plant can take me in a fair fight...it's taller than me, and it keeps giving me dirty looks.
brainchasm- Posts : 479
Join date : 2013-02-26
Age : 48
Location : Las Vegas, NV
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
I have a Facebook friend, we went to college together. He posted some beautiful monsoon photos in his area. AZ ?? Perfect area to consider a rain collection system.
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Supposedly, the Southwest is in a permanent drought. For some reason, theory trumps actual data.
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
I'm considering adding a row of poplar or cottonwood trees down my driveway. They grow quickly and will need minimal watering in normal years, but I can chip their branches for a renewable ramial wood chip supply.
I do a mix of SFG raised beds and BTE (Back to Eden Style) ground gardens. The best answer for me thus far on both garden styles has been to deep mulch with wood chips to keep the moisture in the beds. Then to build the soil I use a deep chip cover, layered with chop and drop of fresh green, healthy plant trimmings and top dressing with compost and aged manure.
With the wood chips I don't start many seedlings in place in my SFG gardens. I simply plant most items after starting them in my greenhouse. Pull back the chips, plant and gently move the chips back as the plants grow.
The deep chip cover keeps the plants roots cool even in 108 degree weather, cool enough for my red wiggler worms to grow, outside in the raised beds all year around.
I do a mix of SFG raised beds and BTE (Back to Eden Style) ground gardens. The best answer for me thus far on both garden styles has been to deep mulch with wood chips to keep the moisture in the beds. Then to build the soil I use a deep chip cover, layered with chop and drop of fresh green, healthy plant trimmings and top dressing with compost and aged manure.
With the wood chips I don't start many seedlings in place in my SFG gardens. I simply plant most items after starting them in my greenhouse. Pull back the chips, plant and gently move the chips back as the plants grow.
The deep chip cover keeps the plants roots cool even in 108 degree weather, cool enough for my red wiggler worms to grow, outside in the raised beds all year around.
I am in the desert southwest
I am in Phoenix, AZ which is the extreme northern end of the Sonora Desert. I have gotten back into gardening since retiring and have found gardening here to be radically different that anywhere else I have been.
When I started investigating SFG practices I learned that the materials necessary to make Mel's Mix were difficult to locate here and when located could be impractical due to cost. I discovered the SFG soil product from Nature's Way at Home Depot and bought a few bags to experiment with. I found the product lacking and proceeded to look for ways of improving it. I have found a practical "fix" for the Nature's Way Mel's Mix, at least it seems practical to me.
I will share my findings with anyone who is interested, you can email me at mewright@vfemail.net as I do not want to spark a controversy here.
When I started investigating SFG practices I learned that the materials necessary to make Mel's Mix were difficult to locate here and when located could be impractical due to cost. I discovered the SFG soil product from Nature's Way at Home Depot and bought a few bags to experiment with. I found the product lacking and proceeded to look for ways of improving it. I have found a practical "fix" for the Nature's Way Mel's Mix, at least it seems practical to me.
I will share my findings with anyone who is interested, you can email me at mewright@vfemail.net as I do not want to spark a controversy here.
crankyoldman- Posts : 21
Join date : 2014-07-14
Location : Phoenix, AZ
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Just add a lot of quality compost to the pre-made mix. Easy peasy.
43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost
There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t1306-other-gardening-books
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+1 Ditto on addition of quality (includes some composted barn manure) compost.
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brainchasm, congratulations on becoming a regional host.
I live nearby (a couple of hours drive) to Canada's only desert that is located in British Columbia. All I know about it is that the scenery changes when we travel from the Interior to Vancouver. Not so many trees and there seems to be a lot of sagebrush.
Good for growing grapes and making wine.
Oh, I think there is a motel that has a banana tree.
I think the above is called a hand of bananas.
I live nearby (a couple of hours drive) to Canada's only desert that is located in British Columbia. All I know about it is that the scenery changes when we travel from the Interior to Vancouver. Not so many trees and there seems to be a lot of sagebrush.
Good for growing grapes and making wine.
Oh, I think there is a motel that has a banana tree.
I think the above is called a hand of bananas.
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
I was actually thinking of getting a dwarf cavendish banana plant this spring, and seeing what if anything I could get out of it.
I think my sunflower plant can take me in a fair fight...it's taller than me, and it keeps giving me dirty looks.
brainchasm- Posts : 479
Join date : 2013-02-26
Age : 48
Location : Las Vegas, NV
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Dwarf bananas? I can't think of anything else.brainchasm wrote:I was actually thinking of getting a dwarf cavendish banana plant this spring, and seeing what if anything I could get out of it.
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Kelejan wrote:Dwarf bananas? I can't think of anything else.brainchasm wrote:I was actually thinking of getting a dwarf cavendish banana plant this spring, and seeing what if anything I could get out of it.
LOL!!!
TinySpock- Posts : 81
Join date : 2015-03-16
Age : 73
Location : Kingman, Arizona
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Hello,
I'm new to this forum and attempting to learn to SFG and gardening in Phoenix. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Brainchasm, I was reading your postings from years ago and I think I will try your concrete block garden. However, none of your pictures were available. I'm especially interested in your irrigation system.
I hope you're still around!
I'm new to this forum and attempting to learn to SFG and gardening in Phoenix. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Brainchasm, I was reading your postings from years ago and I think I will try your concrete block garden. However, none of your pictures were available. I'm especially interested in your irrigation system.
I hope you're still around!
Ihopetogrow- Posts : 7
Join date : 2017-08-01
Location : Arizona
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Thanks for digging up this thread, Ihopetogrow. I will read every word. My situation is the same as Audrey's and Sanderson's. We all deep mulch with wood chips, too.audrey.jeanne.roberts wrote:While I am not technically in the desert, our summer is spent at 100 plus degrees for almost 3 months. It is not uncommon to have several periods of 108-110 degrees and our humidity runs quite low.
I'll be looking in to see what I can glean from your experience.
The most important thing I've learned is I use a heavy Ramial wood chip mulch to retain moisture. (Ramial wood chips are chipped from small branches and leaves. Not bark or core trunk wood). They hold tremendous moisture content and release it back as needed.
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Thank you CN. I'm still trying to find my way through all of the postings, there's so much information out there! I saw your post on hot weather crops, so thank you for that too.
Ihopetogrow- Posts : 7
Join date : 2017-08-01
Location : Arizona
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
You're welcome, Ihopetogrow.Ihopetogrow wrote:Thank you CN. I'm still trying to find my way through all of the postings, there's so much information out there! I saw your post on hot weather crops, so thank you for that too.
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Indeed! Thank you so much!!
Ihopetogrow- Posts : 7
Join date : 2017-08-01
Location : Arizona
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Hi Ihopetogrow. Welcome from Atlanta, GA! Glad you've found your way here...
Aaand...
I'm back.
I think my sunflower plant can take me in a fair fight...it's taller than me, and it keeps giving me dirty looks.
brainchasm- Posts : 479
Join date : 2013-02-26
Age : 48
Location : Las Vegas, NV
Re: Desert dwellers, UNITE!
Good! Most of us borderline desert dwellers are still here. Looking forward to your posts. Got any pics of your Vegas garden? I tried that once.brainchasm wrote:I'm back.
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