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Post  plantoid 7/15/2012, 6:26 pm

" R.I.C. "chubby chumpkins .. I knew your name would be your down fall "Rest In Compost " my dear friend.
Hello Sis !
" Sister Suzy soaking sun for someone ? " Laughing
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Post  llama momma 7/15/2012, 6:59 pm

Oh Josh, I Am So Sorry. This "pumpkin business" is really taking us for a ride with its ups and downs. Thank goodness you have "C.C's" little sister to help fulfill your adventure. 54 pounds is still one very good sized squash! I read somewhere to position the vine from the pumpkin at 90 degrees so it doesn't interfere with growth but I can see that little Amanda is sitting at more of an acute angle than that. So now I wonder too...
Now, speaking of ups and downs I have't said much either concerning "Amanda" the last couple days. And for good reason. I couldn't decide if the oldest leaves at the base of the 2 stems should die off like old broccoli leaves, had a disease, or if I had the dreaded svb. Online videos and pictures show a pile of tannish colored frass on stems with large internal grubs. Mine did not have piles of frass but did have Five tiny, 1/8 to 1/4 inch lightly tan discolored stem areas. I would not even call it frass. All were fairly near the soil line where both stems come out of the ground. The key for me was I didn't like the increased wilting of those leaves right near it So I took a knife and performed my first squash surgery on all 5 areas on both stems this morning. And dug out maybe 8, 10, or more 1/4 inch teeny tiny white worms with black heads, heads the size of the period in this exclamation point! I didn't have a syringe to inject bt. I hastily measured out some liquid bt in water and poured it directly in all the surgical holes, buried the stems with my best compost, watered with a liquid combo of worm castings and compost. Blessed the entire mess and walked away. The entire leaves on the one vine collapsed from the experience but now its 7 hours later and all the leaves have stood back up! Thankfully it stayed very cloudy all day and avoided the sun beating on it too. There is a female flower on this vine that should open tomorrow morning but I think the stress of everything I did today it's going to open before sundown tonight. So I grabbed a few of todays wilted males and put them in the fridge, hoping they can still be used for hand pollination tonight. The other vine that Amanda is growing on, seems to be fine after I cut it up, no wilting.
OMG Josh, What the heck did we get ourselves into with these pumpkin kids of ours?
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Post  southern gardener 7/15/2012, 7:06 pm

Josh wrote:Chubby Chumpkins has died.... he has died from stem detachment. He weighed 54 lbs. What happened was the vine rooted in the ground on both sides of the pumpkin...as Chubby grew it steatched the vine...by it being rooted in the ground the vine would not give and pulled the stem off the pumpkin. Take caution that this doesn't happen to your big pumpkins....not all is lost..Chubby has a sister!

oh man! bummer! I hope his sister takes over and gets BIG! We are still sitting at 4 leaves now, still waiting on our new soil from GroWell. I hope it's not too late to plant when we finally get it Sad Keep us informed how sister does, what's her name?? bounce
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Post  FamilyGardening 7/15/2012, 11:37 pm

josh sorry to hear about Chubby Chumpkins Sad
54 lbs is huge for how young he was.....i hope his baby sister will out grow him!!

LLM hope Amanda is doing ok....

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Post  llama momma 7/16/2012, 10:26 am

Hi Rose,
Thanks for asking - Amanda is doing fine after yesterdays surgery. She's bigger than a softball, meaning she wasn't growing real fast. Hopefully now she can grow quickly without those nasty svb worms. I described it in the other post above. This morning I hand pollinated a second female, turned around to grab some tulle, looked back and there was a bee on the flower hopefully reinforcing what I finished. If I grow pumpkins again must remember to hand pollinate everything and keep the vines covered for the first month or so to avoid svb. Have plenty of good soil or compost to cover every leaf node that grows its own roots. And from Josh's experience maybe? not let the leaf nodes root near it and also keep the baby at a 90 degree angle away from the vine or risk that it will detach.
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Post  Josh 7/16/2012, 4:36 pm

Thanks Rose and everyone,
This is how we learn... Sad...but if we all pull together and share what happens this year...maybe next year we can have a real contest and with some really BIG STUFF!

I too had the svb problem, and I read the post about injecting the bt and just in time too! My dad works at the grain co and they had the syringes so he brought me one home and I gave it an injection and the next day it looked much better!!
At the base of the stem where it came out of the ground was 3 soft brownish looking brown spots about the size of a quarter, I cut off the mushy brown and sprayed it with fungicide and one spot made a complete hole into the vine, I injected the bt in that area, the next day the leaves on the vine had improved and continue to look better. A BIG thank you to whoever that was who posted how to inject the bt in the vine!!! I have lost where that post was.

So do you think we should inject the bt into the vine even before signs of the svb as a prevention? Or do you have to wait till you see svb damage first?

A sad picture....Sad
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Post  llama momma 7/16/2012, 7:41 pm

I read that post too about doing injections but can't recall who it was. Also read that injections can certainly be done as prevention too. I'm convinced the threat of svb cannot be treated casually. From now on I'm going to treat it very seriously and prepare for it. I also read that in the south the svb occurs twice in the season. In the north we're suppose to prepare for it once from June through mid July. The problem is I don't know if the source was accurate. Another thing, someone on youtube said once you cut the vine like I did, usually the growth will no longer be as vigorous, resulting of course in smaller fruit. So we'll see about that. At this point I'll be happy with one live pumpkin come October. Any size.
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Post  walshevak 7/16/2012, 8:07 pm

I found this.

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Post  llama momma 7/16/2012, 8:19 pm

Kay I've seen that! Thanks, now I will save it.
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Josh wrote:

A sad picture....Sad
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Post  Josh 7/17/2012, 12:18 pm

I pulled up my carrots today, and this was what I got, all of them were grown in a SFG, I have one black carrot in the picture, all the other black carrots are flowering.
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I had one pretty good size, but only measured 10 3/4 inches long. I added the picture in the BIG STUFF photo album, I will be watching to see who else has a big carrot, that shouldn't be hard to top! Very Happy

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Post  llama momma 7/17/2012, 1:15 pm

Yesterday's hand pollination worked.
Amanda has a new sister this morning, Betty Boop. I went out to take a picture then turned around because it was already too humid/hot to walk to the side of the property. Will post a photo this evening before sundown.
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Post  plantoid 7/17/2012, 1:24 pm

Hey Josh ,
Where did you find the metric ruler ? Laughing Laughing Wink
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Post  CarolynPhillips 7/18/2012, 11:16 am

That was a lot of Great Big Stuff reading and hats off to those growing big. I have some big stuff growing but it doesn't count cause when i added fresh compost, I dug it in deep which brought earthy soil to the surface and of course my pumpkin vines took root to regular soil past the main 4x10 area... Sigh. I will enjoy watching yall. I will be growing a giant cabbage and giant carrots this fall in a mels mix bed but I cheat with the carrots and add bone meal and other stuff.

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Post  llama momma 7/18/2012, 2:31 pm

CP -- I would certainly count in your big stuff, there is no hard rules here about that. My pumpkins were put in straight compost since I didn't have a box for it. The compost ends up in Mels mix anyway. I simply don't have the peat and vermiculite in the compost. I'd love to see what you have!
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Post  Josh 7/19/2012, 10:02 am

CarolynPhillips wrote:That was a lot of Great Big Stuff reading and hats off to those growing big. I have some big stuff growing but it doesn't count cause when i added fresh compost, I dug it in deep which brought earthy soil to the surface and of course my pumpkin vines took root to regular soil past the main 4x10 area... Sigh. I will enjoy watching yall. I will be growing a giant cabbage and giant carrots this fall in a mels mix bed but I cheat with the carrots and add bone meal and other stuff.

happy gardening

Carolyn you should go for it, my pumpkin patch has also rooted outside the SFG. I look forward to seeing your pumpkins, cabbage and carrots. I think there is an exception factor in growing the big stuff, even though MM is great, the really big stuff is going to have to have some of the extras, like bone mean and other stuff....so Join us and keep us posted on your BIG STUFF!!! Get some pictures of just starting off and what you end up with, it's fun to see how they grow. Keep track of what you did and how you did it to share with all the other BIG STUFF growers, then look out next year, who knows what kind of BIG STUFF we can grow!!
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Post  llama momma 7/19/2012, 8:47 pm

Silly Amateur Pumpkin Poetry:
The Big Pumpkin Patch in the Sky
Chubby Chumpkin and Amanda now reside
Do not despair, if you look over there
Betty Boop and some friends have arrived.

Soo it looks like the squash vine borer removal was a success but Amanda didn't make it.
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Post  Josh 7/19/2012, 9:36 pm

llama momma wrote:Silly Amateur Pumpkin Poetry:
The Big Pumpkin Patch in the Sky
Chubby Chumpkin and Amanda now reside
Do not despair, if you look over there
Betty Boop and some friends have arrived.

Soo it looks like the squash vine borer removal was a success but Amanda didn't make it.

Sorry to hear about the loss of Amanda, I hope Betty Boop takes off for you!

Here is Sister Suzy, can't tell yet if she is going to take off or not, should know in a few days.
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Post  llama momma 7/19/2012, 9:43 pm

So we lost our first ones, may the next round with Sister Suzy go much better! Congrats!
Long before Betty Boop was pollinated she was very different looking with mild looking stripes instead of solid yellow like Sister Suzy and Amanda. I don't know what to make of that.
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Post  CarolynPhillips 7/21/2012, 2:28 pm

Well. My big pumpkin stopped growing at day 25 and estimated 145 pounds. I do not know why it stopped growing. The plant was healthy other than a few patches of powdery mildew. I have not cut it from the vine yet... was heart broken.
I had to grow my giant pumpkin under a shade cloth structure to keep the squash vine borers from killing it.
I will have to upload a couple pictures just to high light what I had to do. I only fed the plant Kelp and Fish emulsion until the pumpkin stopped growing and I thought maybe it was out of nutrients in the main bed area so i gave it some Miracle grow but that did nothing for it.
As much as I love giant pumpkins, I will not grow Atlantic giants in the future. Maybe a few field pumpkins......i dunno. I think right now I am so disappointing that I just want to quit for now but you know how things start rolling when a new spring comes around.
I also grew a few North Carolina Giant Cantalopes. The only thing I did for them was put rich compost, bone meal, and lime in the 4x4 area and fed it some fish emulsion and Kelp every now and then. That was it. (same with the pumpkin)
I have several giant cantaloupes growing now. One is really big considering it was my first try.

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Post  CarolynPhillips 7/21/2012, 2:45 pm

June 30 patch view. Two pumpkin plants growing in there. It is much fuller now. But I am about to pull the plants so I can make sfg beds for fall crops.
I had also buried some fish in the surrounding areas of the grow bed. By the time the vines get out there and take root, the fish has partially decayed and ready to feed the plant. Very Happy
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the pumpkin Sad

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Post  CarolynPhillips 7/21/2012, 2:53 pm

The North Carolina Giant Cantaloupe.
44 inch circumference today...with a total of 104 inches Over The Top. Estimating 30 pounds. Growing about 1 inch in circumference each day now and slowing down a lot. A few days last week it was growing 3 inches a day.
This picture was taken July 20th. Seed came from a 27.5 pound cantaloupe grown by a man named Joe Gerchy in Illinois.

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Post  CarolynPhillips 7/21/2012, 3:11 pm

Wishing everyone Lots and Lots of luck with your giants. They are always exciting to watch grow.

This is my Russian Mammoth Sunflower. She just started blooming this week.
Growing in barnyard compost, rabbit manure, bone meal, fed fish emulsion and kelp. She only stands 9.5 to 10ft tall. I wanted more bloom than height. If you want tallest sunflower, you give it lots of nitrogen. If you want largest flower, you feed it lots of phosphorus.
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Post  GWN 7/21/2012, 8:19 pm

wow Carolyn you certainly have some HUGE plants.
I am hoping my brandy wines are going to be as large as they were last year, they were about 2 lbs each last year, but it is going to be awhile before they are even ripe
What are you going to do with that cantaloupe ?
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