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CarolynPhillips
Blackrose
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quiltbea
camprn
Lavender Debs
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Garden Plan
Well I have been thinking about this, reading about it, and working on it all weekend and I hope that I have got everything positioned where it should be, but I am sure I made some mistakes. This years garden is a complete experiement, more of a mission to learn the basics and with alittle luck I will have enough product to make a few jars of salsa and maybe have a mater sandwich or two. I have no decided on the variety of each plant that I am going to use, that will come down the road (I do know that I am going to do two beefsteak tomatoe plants and two roma plants).
Can you all take a look at this and tell me if I have this setup in a good manner with companion plants next to each other and conflicting plants planted away from each other. I got conflicting information on beans and peppers, one site I went to said do NOT plant them next to each other, and another site said its okay so I am not sure.
Can you all take a look at this and tell me if I have this setup in a good manner with companion plants next to each other and conflicting plants planted away from each other. I got conflicting information on beans and peppers, one site I went to said do NOT plant them next to each other, and another site said its okay so I am not sure.
Cyannes | Cyannes | Beans | Beans |
Onions | Onions | Pablanos | Pablanos |
Carrots | Carrrots | Jalapenos | Jalapenos |
Tomatoes | Tomatoes | Tomatoes | Tomatoes |
scmelik- Posts : 137
Join date : 2011-01-16
Location : Brookings South Dakota
Re: Garden Plan
Lavender Debs wrote:Looks good.....now why am I hungry for chili?
haha, maybe its the cold down here in texas that has me thinking the samething, hopefully that didn't influence my plan
scmelik- Posts : 137
Join date : 2011-01-16
Location : Brookings South Dakota
Re: Garden Plan
What variety of beans are you planning on? I know everything will fare better if the tallest plants go to the north, so they will not shade everything else that is sun loving.
My poblanos got to be about 2.5 foot tall last year and my heirloom Gilbertie toms were 10 foot.
My companion planting resources do indicate that beans and peppers are neutral companions.
My poblanos got to be about 2.5 foot tall last year and my heirloom Gilbertie toms were 10 foot.
My companion planting resources do indicate that beans and peppers are neutral companions.
Re: Garden Plan
camprn wrote:What variety of beans are you planning on? I know everything will fare better if the tallest plants go to the north, so they will not shade everything else that is sun loving.
My poblanos got to be about 2.5 foot tall last year and my heirloom Gilbertie toms were 10 foot.
My companion planting resources do indicate that beans and peppers are neutral companions.
I am planning on a pole green bean of some variety. I figured that they should be on the north side like the tomatoes so that they do not shade out other plants so I may switch those and the Jalapenos around, if they work well with carrots, I don't want to completely shade out my carrots.
scmelik- Posts : 137
Join date : 2011-01-16
Location : Brookings South Dakota
Re: Garden Plan
Won't the pole beans on one side and the toms on the other shade out your pablanos in the middle? Those peppers really need the sunshine.
Unfortunately neither pole beans nor peppers are friends to tomatoes but bush beans are so instead, try bush beans between the toms and the peppers. Bush beans like everything, you get nine to a square foot, are lower growing, prolific so you have to pick daily to enjoy all the beans, and it won't shade out those peppers.
I hope this helps.
Unfortunately neither pole beans nor peppers are friends to tomatoes but bush beans are so instead, try bush beans between the toms and the peppers. Bush beans like everything, you get nine to a square foot, are lower growing, prolific so you have to pick daily to enjoy all the beans, and it won't shade out those peppers.
I hope this helps.
quiltbea- Posts : 4707
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 82
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A
Re: Garden Plan
It depends on whether you want determinate (one crop with the possibility of another small crop later in the season) or indeterminate (keep producing all season). You may have to change up the positioning to avoid things getting shaded out, though.
Re: Garden Plan
quiltbea wrote:neither pole beans nor peppers are friends to tomatoes
My companion planting guide says otherwise about bean, peppers and tomatoes.
"Tomato allies are many: asparagus, basil, bean, carrots, celery, chive, cucumber, garlic, head lettuce, marigold, mint, nasturtium, onion, parsley, pea, pepper, marigold, pot marigold and sow thistle."
Do I have bad information or is that from your own personal experience? If they don't like each other, I'm going to have to do some major re-planning.
Blackrose- Posts : 709
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 51
Location : Aurora, Ontario, Zone 5a
Re: Garden Plan
Blackrose....Not from personal experience. This info is taken from a garden book with charts listing 'Good Friends' and 'Bad Friends' so I guess we'll just both have to try and see what happens.
quiltbea- Posts : 4707
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 82
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A
Re: Garden Plan
quiltbea wrote:Blackrose....Not from personal experience. This info is taken from a garden book with charts listing 'Good Friends' and 'Bad Friends' so I guess we'll just both have to try and see what happens.
I'm always up for a challenge/experiment!
We should compare notes at the end of the season. I will have tomatoes, peppers and basil all filling one 4x4 this year. We'll see how it goes!
tomato | tomato | tomato | tomato |
tomato | tomato | tomato | tomato |
pepper | basil | basil | pepper |
pepper | pepper | pepper | pepper |
I may adjust this layout as now I see that it may not work having the tomatoes together in that 2x4 area of my 4x4. But, that's for another thread.
Blackrose- Posts : 709
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 51
Location : Aurora, Ontario, Zone 5a
Re: Garden Plan
Blackrose....You're right. Putting tomatoes side by side might not work for you. They take up lots of elevated space with their branches so its better to have a smaller crop beside them.
quiltbea- Posts : 4707
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 82
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A
Re: Garden Plan
My companion sources say:
Peppers help Peppers
Peppers help Marjaram
Toms help Peppers
Geraniums Help Peppers
Petunias help Peppers
Don't plant peppers with beans, cabbage, brussels
Basil helps Toms and Peppers
And onions don't like beans
Peppers help Peppers
Peppers help Marjaram
Toms help Peppers
Geraniums Help Peppers
Petunias help Peppers
Don't plant peppers with beans, cabbage, brussels
Basil helps Toms and Peppers
And onions don't like beans
CarolynPhillips- Posts : 778
Join date : 2010-09-06
Age : 54
Location : Alabama Zone 7a
Re: Garden Plan
So much to learn. I never thought about companion planting before except to add a couple of Marigolds and Nasturtiums that I hoped would help with the bad insects.
Furbalsmom- Posts : 3138
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(
Re: Garden Plan
Nasturtiums are so beautiful! I wish I could find a variety pack of nasturtium seeds that included most of them, because I could spend a fortune buying them individually. Last year I just bought some plants, but that was before I knew how useful they are in companion planting. Hey, I know, I'll put a post on the ISO thread! *scampering off to do so*
Re: Garden Plan
Please note: Nasturtiums are tomato friends because they ATTRACT APHIDS. I learned this only after I planted one right between my two big tomato plants! For whatever reason, I had no aphid problems, but I think that was just sheer luck of the draw....
Re: Garden Plan
See, I did not know any better than to put it in and among the plants, so I was actually attracting the aphids, rather than repelling them. I guess it is time to do a little more studying.
Furbalsmom- Posts : 3138
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(
Re: Garden Plan
Thanks for the head's up! Maybe my peas will last a bit longer if I put some nasturtiums nearby as a trap plant.
Re: Garden Plan
Yes, those companion plant books are dangerous, because way too often they don't tell you the "whys". After all my reading last year, my biggest takeaway was to keep the brassicas and curcurbits away from the spaghetti sauce.
Re: Garden Plan
Holy crap, Megan - I'm so glad I saw this!!! I'm planning out my beds RIGHT NOW and (on paper) added nasturtiums to my butterfly bed to try to help keep the aphids away. I guess that would be a very bad decision. Thanks tons for the heads up!! **grabbing my eraser**
nancy- Posts : 594
Join date : 2010-03-16
Location : Cincinnati, Ohio (6a)
Re: Garden Plan
Megan wrote:Please note: Nasturtiums are tomato friends because they ATTRACT APHIDS. I learned this only after I planted one right between my two big tomato plants! For whatever reason, I had no aphid problems, but I think that was just sheer luck of the draw....
That's interesting to note... hmmm didn't have any on my nasturtiums last year.... oh yeah, they were to busy annihilating my huckleberries to notice the pretty flowers.
Re: Garden Plan
I didn't see any aphids on my nasturtiums either... but I'm just sayin'.
Also, nancy.... butterfly bed flowers draw aphids??? :?:
I think what I want to do is build a trap bed. Maybe a 1x6 or 2x6? And put it well away from everything else. Nasturtiums, radishes, Giant mustard, catnip, etc.
Also, nancy.... butterfly bed flowers draw aphids??? :?:
I think what I want to do is build a trap bed. Maybe a 1x6 or 2x6? And put it well away from everything else. Nasturtiums, radishes, Giant mustard, catnip, etc.
Re: Garden Plan
That's a great idea! You should start a new thread about a trap bed so everyone can discuss it, I hadn't thought of doing anything that direct and proactive.
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