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How does green turn to brown?
Hi. I have tons of chopped down trees. Some have been there for a few weeks, and some are fresh. Those which are fresh have copious green foiliage. The others have copious brown foliage.
Question:
How do the green nitrogen-rich leaves turn into brown carbon-rich leaves. They're the same thing, just two weeks apart.
Duncan
Question:
How do the green nitrogen-rich leaves turn into brown carbon-rich leaves. They're the same thing, just two weeks apart.
Duncan
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
In general: Brown compost materials are dry, woody, and long dead, and include wood chips, straw, twigs, dry leaves, sawdust, and corn stalks. Green compost materials are wet and nitrogen-rich, and include grass clippings, food scraps, coffee grounds, tea bags, and fresh leaves.
"In short, the soil food web feeds everything you eat and helps keep your favorite planet from getting too hot. Be nice to it." ~ Diane Miessler, "Grow Your Soil"
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
I think it’s all green at this point, and will rob your garden of available nitrogen until it breaks down.
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
That's a great question!
Bacteria will take advantage of any available moisture to quickly breakdown the protein (nitrogen) compounds into volatile ammonia, which then disperses into the air.
But it should be possible to retain the nitrogen by careful, low-heat drying. You might do this by laying the grass out on a tarp, only an inch or two thick, with constant stirring to keep the leaves from matting or trapping moisture.
Based on the comparable process in alfalfa, careful drying should retain 70% or so of the original nitrogen.
For the home gardener, the brown/green thing is a bit of an approximation. The little chemical kits that detect nitrogen don't work well with organic materials. If you try to get send away to a lab for testing, you'll note that they will either not test for organic nitrogen, or will charge more.
Bacteria will take advantage of any available moisture to quickly breakdown the protein (nitrogen) compounds into volatile ammonia, which then disperses into the air.
But it should be possible to retain the nitrogen by careful, low-heat drying. You might do this by laying the grass out on a tarp, only an inch or two thick, with constant stirring to keep the leaves from matting or trapping moisture.
Based on the comparable process in alfalfa, careful drying should retain 70% or so of the original nitrogen.
For the home gardener, the brown/green thing is a bit of an approximation. The little chemical kits that detect nitrogen don't work well with organic materials. If you try to get send away to a lab for testing, you'll note that they will either not test for organic nitrogen, or will charge more.
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
Mmmm So the colour is a bit of a red herring, just as black coffee grounds are "green". What prompted my question was the fact that two similar branches look quite different only two weeks apart. The leaves have turned from green to dark brown - but as Scorpio Rising has pointed out, the colour is immaterial at this point. Both are "green". Not exactly intuitive, but that makes more sense than nitrogen-rich leaves suddenly becoming carbon-rich just by being left out on the lawn.
They are being shredded on a daily basis to be added to my 5m^3 pile of wood chips which were originally my row of trees on the driveway cut down by the arbourists and chipped with their industrial chipper.
In order to accommodate all these chips I'm goint to build a series of compost bins out of pallets (i.e. 1 metre cubed) along the bottom fence. I'll turn each bin with a 150mm auger every week or so to ensure aeration. But that is a long-term project. They can stay there slowly composting for a number of years - no hurry. In the meantime, my three rotating 220 litre compost bins will receive all the softer stuff, manure, grass, coffee, kitchen scraps and so on. That's what will be used to supplement my raised bed mixture.
They are being shredded on a daily basis to be added to my 5m^3 pile of wood chips which were originally my row of trees on the driveway cut down by the arbourists and chipped with their industrial chipper.
In order to accommodate all these chips I'm goint to build a series of compost bins out of pallets (i.e. 1 metre cubed) along the bottom fence. I'll turn each bin with a 150mm auger every week or so to ensure aeration. But that is a long-term project. They can stay there slowly composting for a number of years - no hurry. In the meantime, my three rotating 220 litre compost bins will receive all the softer stuff, manure, grass, coffee, kitchen scraps and so on. That's what will be used to supplement my raised bed mixture.
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
I just put the wood chips with whatever greenery they have in a huge pile, as tall as I can make it, and let them break down over time. A few times over the year I will use the bucket on the tractor to "turn" the pile to speed it in composting.
"In short, the soil food web feeds everything you eat and helps keep your favorite planet from getting too hot. Be nice to it." ~ Diane Miessler, "Grow Your Soil"
Re: How does green turn to brown?
How long does it take to break down and become usable?
rtfm- Posts : 27
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Re: How does green turn to brown?
rtfm wrote:How long does it take to break down and become usable?
One year, more or less. A very large pile I just started a couple weeks ago will ready to use in Spring of 2026.
"In short, the soil food web feeds everything you eat and helps keep your favorite planet from getting too hot. Be nice to it." ~ Diane Miessler, "Grow Your Soil"
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