Search
Latest topics
» February: What to plant in Southern California and Inland Valleysby sanderson Today at 5:11 pm
» February: What to plant in Northern California and Central Valley areas
by sanderson Today at 4:56 pm
» Soaking Seeds for Better Germination
by sanderson Today at 4:22 pm
» Sandbox as a mini SFG?
by markqz Today at 2:09 pm
» N&C Midwest: January & February 2023
by OhioGardener Today at 7:32 am
» Mark's first SFG
by sanderson Today at 4:55 am
» Starting Strawberries from Seed
by OhioGardener 2/5/2023, 3:12 pm
» Kiwi's SFG Adventure
by KiwiSFGnewbie 2/5/2023, 2:15 pm
» What are you eating from your garden today?
by sanderson 2/5/2023, 3:34 am
» How do I source Mels Mix for 190 cu ft????
by sanderson 2/4/2023, 10:09 pm
» Ads are back
by KiwiSFGnewbie 2/4/2023, 2:32 pm
» Should I buy this compost tumbler??
by Soose 2/4/2023, 11:37 am
» Garden Tools
by Soose 2/3/2023, 6:07 pm
» Back In The Saddle I Suppose
by AtlantaMarie 2/3/2023, 5:15 am
» Happy Birthday!!
by AtlantaMarie 2/3/2023, 5:12 am
» Seed Exchange - January 2023
by sanderson 2/3/2023, 3:08 am
» Phosphate
by bigtoad 2/2/2023, 5:41 pm
» Organic compost without peat in Alberta
by OhioGardener 2/2/2023, 8:05 am
» worms and compost tumbler
by Soose 2/1/2023, 11:46 pm
» trying to Think Spring in cold Chicago
by sanderson 2/1/2023, 4:43 pm
» New Lifetime Compost Tumbler..
by sanderson 2/1/2023, 4:41 pm
» Aero Garden for starting seeds?
by OhioGardener 2/1/2023, 8:23 am
» Starbucks for coffee grounds!
by sanderson 1/30/2023, 1:37 am
» Placing Box on Cement
by OhioGardener 1/29/2023, 2:57 pm
» How I compost using a Tumbler
by Soose 1/29/2023, 2:45 pm
» Garlic Chives in SFG?
by OhioGardener 1/29/2023, 8:56 am
» Microgreens Gardening
by sanderson 1/28/2023, 11:42 pm
» Johnson Su composting Bioreactor instructions for home, not the farm.
by has55 1/28/2023, 10:57 am
» homemade vermicomposting/Worm Casting Compost Sifters
by has55 1/28/2023, 10:45 am
» Famous Gardening Quotes
by OhioGardener 1/28/2023, 8:29 am
Google
Cement blocks for SFG
+5
Denese
Marc Iverson
dk54321
sanderson
countrystepping
9 posters
Page 1 of 1
Cement blocks for SFG
Anyone here ever use any type of cement products instead of wooden sides? My linseed treated wooden boxes are going bad.
South Jersey Boy
South Jersey Boy
countrystepping- Posts : 5
Join date : 2011-05-16
Location : South Jersey
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
Oh, my, yes, cement blocks are wonderful substitutes for wood. Brainchasm (Las Vegas), Dstack (Florida) and Mazzy (California) immediately come to mind. Darn, I'm inside on a heat break or I might be able to think of others. I apologize to all of you that have block beds (I have a blocked mind). One great bonus is that the blocks won't rot!!

Re: Cement blocks for SFG
I have used 8" standard concrete blocks. At about $1 each, they are only a little more expensive than wood, and should last forever. They are okay, but not perfect. If you set the blocks with holes up, weeds grow in the holes. If you set them on their sides, weeds grow through the holes sideways, and are harder to control. Also, you're reaching across them to work in your beds. My comfortable reach is about 20 inches. Three foot squares (or three foot wide beds) are comfortable, reaching to the middle of four foot squares / beds is a stretch. Add the width of the blocks to the width of the bed when calculating the reach required.
If you set the blocks holes up, fill the holes with Mel's Mix, and plant things in them, the holes are 6x6, while the blocks overall dimensions are 8x16. This means you can only put plants that would go 4 or more to a square in the holes. Not a huge problem, but it does complicate your planning a little. And your 6" holes will not line up with your 12" grid, because of the thickness of the concrete. Depending on how organized you like your beds, this may or may not matter to you.
I like to put my vertical frames along the edge of a bed, so they are easy to reach though and harvest both sides. This works great for peas—I plant them in the holes in the blocks along the long edge of my beds, and plant shorter crops in front of them, so they don't shade each other. This doesn't work so well for tomatoes—if I plant something else in the holes, I'm reaching across or through other plants to harvest my tomatoes, whose vines get thick and tangled enough to be hard to harvest when they're right in front of me, not to mention the shade they cast. But I can't plant them in the holes, because they need a whole 12" square for each plant.
If you set the blocks holes up, fill the holes with Mel's Mix, and plant things in them, the holes are 6x6, while the blocks overall dimensions are 8x16. This means you can only put plants that would go 4 or more to a square in the holes. Not a huge problem, but it does complicate your planning a little. And your 6" holes will not line up with your 12" grid, because of the thickness of the concrete. Depending on how organized you like your beds, this may or may not matter to you.
I like to put my vertical frames along the edge of a bed, so they are easy to reach though and harvest both sides. This works great for peas—I plant them in the holes in the blocks along the long edge of my beds, and plant shorter crops in front of them, so they don't shade each other. This doesn't work so well for tomatoes—if I plant something else in the holes, I'm reaching across or through other plants to harvest my tomatoes, whose vines get thick and tangled enough to be hard to harvest when they're right in front of me, not to mention the shade they cast. But I can't plant them in the holes, because they need a whole 12" square for each plant.
dk54321- Posts : 60
Join date : 2014-01-22
Location : Milwaukee
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
My neighbor has cinder block beds in his garden, and he is very successful. He offered to build another one in his garden with me and let me use it. We did, and the bed is working out great.
He builds his beds two blocks high and fills them with pure, high quality compost. Even his bad years are better than most of our neighbors' good years. He speculates that the thickness of the blocks helps store heat in the day and let it off slowly at night, moderating our wide day/night temperature swings here.
I really like the holes for sticking tools and my watering wand in while I work, and the width of the cinder blocks makes it easy to lay baskets, spray bottles, and other things across them. If I need to, I can step or stand on the blocks, which can come in handy when reaching in to the plants.
I don't plant in the holes. As a poster above said, it's hard enough as it is reaching deep into a bed and trying to dig through tomato vines without breaking them. And if a plant is in a hole, I can't step there to steady myself when I lean over into the bed. If I were growing short, easy to maintain plants that don't require a lot of fiddling, like root crops, then I might take advantage of the holes. They do hold square 6x6 plastic pots quite nicely.
I have some recent pictures of his beds and mine in the last two PNW (Pacific Northwest) daily update threads. If you don't see it as a link to the left, you can find it by entering the PNW regional forum. Or just go here:
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t18518-pnw-september-2014
He builds his beds two blocks high and fills them with pure, high quality compost. Even his bad years are better than most of our neighbors' good years. He speculates that the thickness of the blocks helps store heat in the day and let it off slowly at night, moderating our wide day/night temperature swings here.
I really like the holes for sticking tools and my watering wand in while I work, and the width of the cinder blocks makes it easy to lay baskets, spray bottles, and other things across them. If I need to, I can step or stand on the blocks, which can come in handy when reaching in to the plants.
I don't plant in the holes. As a poster above said, it's hard enough as it is reaching deep into a bed and trying to dig through tomato vines without breaking them. And if a plant is in a hole, I can't step there to steady myself when I lean over into the bed. If I were growing short, easy to maintain plants that don't require a lot of fiddling, like root crops, then I might take advantage of the holes. They do hold square 6x6 plastic pots quite nicely.
I have some recent pictures of his beds and mine in the last two PNW (Pacific Northwest) daily update threads. If you don't see it as a link to the left, you can find it by entering the PNW regional forum. Or just go here:
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t18518-pnw-september-2014
Marc Iverson-
Posts : 3638
Join date : 2013-07-05
Age : 61
Location : SW Oregon
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
I recently built 4 new beds utilizing concrete blocks. Look for the post "My New Garden Beds". I have posted pictures. Mine are up against the side of my house, so I only needed 10 blocks. If they are stand alone, then you need 14 to make a 47" interior square bed. I've put wood over the holes in my blocks for seating. This gives me less of a reach, and helps to eliminate weeds growing up through the holes.
Denese-
Posts : 324
Join date : 2011-05-31
Age : 68
Location : Southeast Michigan
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t18430-my-new-garden-beds#204939
How will you be attaching the boards?
How will you be attaching the boards?
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
I have some heavy duty construction glue that I planned on using. They pretty much stay in place as they are, and DH doesn't think I should glue them down, because according to him, "You're always making adjustments and changes to everything." Unfortunately, he's probably right.boffer wrote:https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t18430-my-new-garden-beds#204939
How will you be attaching the boards?



Denese-
Posts : 324
Join date : 2011-05-31
Age : 68
Location : Southeast Michigan
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
I wish I had it to do all over again..cement blocks is the way I would have gone.
I believe though, I would have placed a footer for the blocks in order to stabilize the bed/s .
Could have set some nice poles in the block holes for adding upright supports for enclosures/ trellis's etc.
Once they were done, they'd last a life time +
I had a small cement mixer that I did my drive way, however all that's gone now..
I believe though, I would have placed a footer for the blocks in order to stabilize the bed/s .
Could have set some nice poles in the block holes for adding upright supports for enclosures/ trellis's etc.
Once they were done, they'd last a life time +
I had a small cement mixer that I did my drive way, however all that's gone now..
jimmy cee
Certified SFG Instructor-
Posts : 2215
Join date : 2013-02-16
Age : 87
Location : Hatfield PA. zone 6b
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
Me too... And eventually we're talking about making cement boxes that will be poured in place. But at least we got a start!
Re: Cement blocks for SFG
My brother uses cement blocks.
I have seen women looking at jewelry ads with a misty eye and one hand resting on the heart, and I only know what they're feeling because that's how I read the seed catalogs in January - Barbara Kingsolver - Animal, Vegetable, Miracle

» Some brag photos from my tiny side-yard garden.
» Placing Box on Cement
» cement mixer mixing mels mix
» Sanderson's Urban SFG in Fresno, California
» what do you get if you mix cement, peat moss and Mel's mix..
» Placing Box on Cement
» cement mixer mixing mels mix
» Sanderson's Urban SFG in Fresno, California
» what do you get if you mix cement, peat moss and Mel's mix..
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
|
|