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Post  lavamom 5/14/2010, 3:37 pm

This is my first time growing anything. I had some beautiful carrot tops coming up - nice and bushy - and last week something came and mowed all the tops off! It was in the daytime, I am guessing a bird. They also sheared off a pot of poppy seedlings I was nurturing. And yesterday I finally got my first tomato to emerge from a seed - after two attempts and six weeks of waiting - this morning - gone! I guess I expected birds to go after the fruit or vegetables after they were actually mature, not just a few centimeters high - and didn't expect them to go after carrots at all. Is anyone else having this trouble here?

I am going to make some kind of a canopy for the whole 4x4, probably with pvc as described in Mel's book - and put bird netting over. And I had heard that copper tape works against slugs, but I truly don't see any evidence, such as slime trails, and I also read that once the tape tarnishes - which will pretty much be right away - it doesn't work. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Post  Chopper 5/14/2010, 10:15 pm

I think that is bizarre. I never heard of it. For awhile my spaniel was eating the tops of bean plants but a fence solved that - leaving the bean plants for the snails. I would think if it is birds that should do the trick, but it still sounds quite odd. Anyone else have any ideas what would do this type of damage?
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Post  milaneyjane 5/15/2010, 1:23 am

Sounds like what the bunnies and deer do around here.
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Post  ander217 5/15/2010, 8:33 am

Rabbits, groundhogs, squirrels, deer, birds, and cutworms will all shear off plants. In my experience, birds often pull the whole plant up - they'll eat the sprouted seed at the bottom and leave the plant lying on its side. Voles do the same thing.

I've even seen cats and dogs munch on garden plants. We once had a cat that would dig out and eat raw potatoes, and we had a dog who used to eat our asparagus. (Why couldn't he have been like the dog in the old Jerry Clower story and developed a taste for turnip greens, instead?)
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Post  lavamom 5/15/2010, 1:14 pm

Well we don't have rabbits, groundhogs, squiirels or deer - and I don't know about cutworms - so that leaves the birds. I've learned my lesson. There is so MUCH to eat that ISN'T my SFG, I don't know why they have to.

Does it deter them to hang sparkly things near the SFG?
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Post  NadineManset 5/15/2010, 6:20 pm

Aloha,

That must be frustrating! It's the first time I hear something like that in Hawaii. I don't think birds would do that. How about mice? Any paw prints around your plants? Droppings?

I hope netting helps!

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Post  mckr3441 5/15/2010, 8:15 pm

Hi!

For slugs I use crushed egg shells. They don't like the sharp edges. I just crush the shells in my hand and sprinkle them about. Once the plants are full enough you don't see the shells.

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Post  lavamom 5/15/2010, 10:21 pm

I like that idea - crushed egg shells. I will try it. Thank you!
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Post  Chopper 5/16/2010, 9:36 pm

My slugs and snails seemed completely unphased by egg shells. Of course there were a billion of them. I finally went out three nights in a row around 10:30 pm and killed all I could see that were in that end of the yard. And there were plenty.

I also put some snail bait in the garden and I still get dead snails in the morning. Once the garden is in it is time to stand guard for varmints!
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Post  ander217 5/17/2010, 8:46 am

I've never had a problem with slugs, and haven't tried this personally, but I remember reading that someone controlled them by sinking a mayonnaise lid in the dirt to ground level and filling it with beer. Apparently slugs love beer, and they crawl into it and drown.
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Post  lavamom 5/17/2010, 12:50 pm

Yes, the beer thing does work.

Thank you for all the suggestions!

Nadine - I haven't seen any mice droppings, but I did see a rat on our property a couple of weeks ago.

Makes me want to set a video camera out there.
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Post  Chopper 5/17/2010, 8:30 pm

I think there may be a market for garden-cam.
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Post  Dietryin 5/18/2010, 1:13 am

Chopper wrote:I think there may be a market for garden-cam.

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Post  boffer 5/18/2010, 1:40 am

Hi,

The information looks interesting. In a post edit box, we can't call for a JS action on another web site to play a video. Perhaps you can just post the link to the sales page where it is located.
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Time-lapse Garden Video Camera.

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Post  Joan Larcom 6/2/2010, 4:41 pm

ander217 wrote:I've never had a problem with slugs, and haven't tried this personally, but I remember reading that someone controlled them by sinking a mayonnaise lid in the dirt to ground level and filling it with beer. Apparently slugs love beer, and they crawl into it and drown.
Snails do like beer, particularly dark, stale beer. Put it into a shallow can buried in the dirt up to the top edges.

I use Sluggo, which is ok with the organic regs. It will kill slugs but is said to be safe for veggies and the humans and animals that eat them.
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Post  LaFee 6/2/2010, 6:14 pm

For cats and dogs -- give them veggies to eat during the day, and they'll be much more likely to leave your SFG alone. Do make sure that you are giving them veggies that are safe for them to eat...some fruit and veg are toxic to animals.

My dog eats carrots, cauliflower (I usually give him the stalk because he likes to gnaw on it) broccoli (again, the stalk) -- and I usually keep a bag of either frozen green beans or frozen peas on hand that I thaw out in the microwave and mix in with his regular dinner.. He's a big boy (over 100 lbs/50kg) so the bulk helps keep him from feeling hungry, but he's not loading up on calories, either...AND he keeps his big face out of my SFG.

Don't give them more than 10% of their daily intake in veggies...at minimum, you'll give them an upset tummy -- at max, you can make them very ill.

Do NOT give your dog garlic or onions, by the way...they have a chemical compound that is toxic to dogs. If you have ANY doubts, ask your vet about what veggies are safe to give your pal.
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Post  mikesakamoto 6/16/2010, 9:07 pm

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ander217 wrote:I use Sluggo, which is ok with the organic regs. It will kill slugs but is said to be safe for veggies and the humans and animals that eat them.

Joan,

Where did you get Sluggo on Oahu? How much? I saw another brand using iron phosphate, but those things cost a fortune!
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Post  Joan Larcom 6/17/2010, 4:05 am

I think Sluggo is the only slug bait that is deemed organic. It is expensive, around $10 a canister but I find one lasts a long time and saves lots of veggies. You can buy it at City Mill now or at Wally's .

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