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tulle or other row covers
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HOUSTONMOM
yolos
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CapeCoddess
AvaDGardner
Chopper
Furbalsmom
plantoid
Squat_Johnson
mijejo
quiltbea
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tulle or other row covers
I have a question (maybe a dumb one) about the use of tulle or other cloth for insect control.
If the plants need to be available for pollinators to get to, doesn't this defeat the purpose? I know some varieties are "self pollinating" but not all are (particularly heirlooms).
I have generally just hand-picked bugs I didn't want, but would like to minimize the need to do this if possible.
If the plants need to be available for pollinators to get to, doesn't this defeat the purpose? I know some varieties are "self pollinating" but not all are (particularly heirlooms).
I have generally just hand-picked bugs I didn't want, but would like to minimize the need to do this if possible.
curio- Posts : 388
Join date : 2012-02-22
Location : Maritime Pacific Northwest zone 8A/B with ugly heat scale
Re: tulle or other row covers
You are right and I'm concentrating plants that do not need pollinators into their own beds this year. Last year I moved the hoop with the tulle on it over one row to open just the squares that needed pollination. FYI: having a wooden lathe grid or holders screwed to the outside walls would have made this easier. This year the squash, eggplant, melons and cukes will share beds and will be covered until they start blooming. This will hopefully mean fewer beds that need daily patrols and more time searching out bad guys.
Kay
Kay
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walshevak
Certified SFG Instructor- Posts : 4374
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 81
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8
Re: tulle or other row covers
I agree with walshevak. I just remove the covers when the blossoms begin so the pollinators can do their thing. I put them back over the plants when little fruits begin forming. At least they are covered against pests most of the time. I, too, am putting like crops beside each other so covering or not is simpler this year.
quiltbea- Posts : 4712
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 82
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A
Re: tulle or other row covers
Which plants typically benefit from a tulle covering? I think cucumbers, melons, eggplants, and squash have been mentioned. For those I hope to protect from cucumber beetles, and squash bugs. I think I may be able to protect cabbbage and broccoli from the cabbage worm. Perhaps the brussels sprouts, too. What am I missing?
mijejo- Posts : 162
Join date : 2011-05-25
Location : Cincinnati, Ohio
Re: tulle or other row covers
I use a row cover for my Brassicia bed. I have lots of problems with cabbage moths and some other moths that love Broccoli almost as much as I do. That bed is all lettuce, broccoli, nothing that needs pollination.
And I just grow one squash plant for me, and one for the bugs...
But, I can't get them to stay on _their_ plant...
And I just grow one squash plant for me, and one for the bugs...
But, I can't get them to stay on _their_ plant...
Squat_Johnson- Posts : 440
Join date : 2010-05-25
Location : Beaver Dam, Kentucky, zone 6a
Re: tulle or other row covers
I'm considering making a fleece. tule tent for the brassica as they got slaughtered last year by cabbage white butterfly caterpilairs & aphids , so much I resorted to an apporved bug spray before all i had left was a light green lace all over the raised beds.
one thing i have thougth for any plants that need pollenator beetles & suffer from mega bug attacks is a panel of pond net cover in1 /4 inch squares in a welded net form as part of the " tent " .
So there less chance of the big bugs & things like cabbage root & carrot flies walking through like has happened in previous years.
If I uncover it during the warmer drier part of the day with ouit disturbing the crops under it for an hour or two the pollenators should get there before the aphids etc. who like warm humid times to fly . Once the pollen beetles are in the enclosure I'm happy to then recover the panel with the fleece/ tule & see if they do their job.
one thing i have thougth for any plants that need pollenator beetles & suffer from mega bug attacks is a panel of pond net cover in1 /4 inch squares in a welded net form as part of the " tent " .
So there less chance of the big bugs & things like cabbage root & carrot flies walking through like has happened in previous years.
If I uncover it during the warmer drier part of the day with ouit disturbing the crops under it for an hour or two the pollenators should get there before the aphids etc. who like warm humid times to fly . Once the pollen beetles are in the enclosure I'm happy to then recover the panel with the fleece/ tule & see if they do their job.
plantoid- Posts : 4096
Join date : 2011-11-09
Age : 73
Location : At the west end of M4 in the UK
Re: tulle or other row covers
You could use tulle to cover any plants that do not require insect pollinators.
This include plants that are usually grown for their leaves
Broccoli
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Kohlrabi
Lettuce
Spinach
greens
or their roots
beets
carrots
radishes
or have self pollinated or wind pollinated flowers
Tomatoes
Eggplant
Peppers
beans
peas
corn
sources: (links)
WSU TOMATOES
Texas A&M Peppers
UCDavis EGGPLANT
MSU GARDEN POLLINATION
This include plants that are usually grown for their leaves
Broccoli
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Kohlrabi
Lettuce
Spinach
greens
or their roots
beets
carrots
radishes
or have self pollinated or wind pollinated flowers
Tomatoes
Eggplant
Peppers
beans
peas
corn
sources: (links)
WSU TOMATOES
Texas A&M Peppers
UCDavis EGGPLANT
MSU GARDEN POLLINATION
Furbalsmom- Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(
Thanks
I knew about the brassicas, but didn't think about the peppers and tomatoes being either wind or self pollinated. I knew some tomatoes are self pollinating, but didn't think past that.
Thank you for that list... looks like about the only thing that wouldn't be covered at all would be peas/beans, cukes/melons/squash. (unless it was temporary)
We have had real issues with aphids on the brassicas in previous years, so my main concern would be them.
Thank you for that list... looks like about the only thing that wouldn't be covered at all would be peas/beans, cukes/melons/squash. (unless it was temporary)
We have had real issues with aphids on the brassicas in previous years, so my main concern would be them.
curio- Posts : 388
Join date : 2012-02-22
Location : Maritime Pacific Northwest zone 8A/B with ugly heat scale
Re: tulle or other row covers
For those that use covers, how do you fasten/unfasten your material? I had some gaps at the bottom, and those pesky moths still got underneath. Looking for ideas.
Squat_Johnson- Posts : 440
Join date : 2010-05-25
Location : Beaver Dam, Kentucky, zone 6a
Re: tulle or other row covers
Curio, according to MSU, peas and beans are self-pollinating, so they could also be under the tulle. Because I had seen bees at the pea and bean flowers, I always assumed, that they required bees or other pollinators and never covered them before.snip...Thank you for that list... looks like about the only thing that wouldn't be covered at all would be peas/beans
The pollination process in all beans, peas, and tomatoes is called self-pollination because the transfer of pollen takes place within the individual flowers without the aid of insects or wind.
Furbalsmom- Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(
learned something
see now... I thought the same as you... just from seeing bees in and on the plants over the years. Thanks
curio- Posts : 388
Join date : 2012-02-22
Location : Maritime Pacific Northwest zone 8A/B with ugly heat scale
Re: tulle or other row covers
Squat_Johnson wrote:For those that use covers, how do you fasten/unfasten your material? I had some gaps at the bottom, and those pesky moths still got underneath. Looking for ideas.
Maybe some fishing weights sewn in?
Re: tulle or other row covers
I used wire hangars shaped like hoop tops and spring clothespins to pin to the top. Then I buried the ends in the soil around them when needed.
quiltbea- Posts : 4712
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 82
Location : Southwestern Maine Zone 5A
Re: tulle or other row covers
I've had 2 different larvae this week...one crawling in toward my new asparagus shoots and one in the lettuce (which also had lady bug eggs).
Sad for the lady bugs...DD destroyed them thinking there were bad since she just found the larvae.
Stunning...these larvae/moth thingys from eggs after just 3 days!
I've been fussing over covers and structures.
Why is tulle preferred?
I was looking at shadecloth too (not knowing what it was). Curious stuff, especially the aluminet. Reminds me of the NASA blankets with holes. I would think it would create a lot of glare!
Has anyone tried cheesecloth? There are 3 weaves (10-mesh, 50-gauze, 90-polishing gauze). Home Depot sells grade 90 @ 5 SQY for 3.50, which is about $0.72 per yard.
I wonder how 90 grade would work as a shadecloth.
Ava
Sad for the lady bugs...DD destroyed them thinking there were bad since she just found the larvae.
Stunning...these larvae/moth thingys from eggs after just 3 days!
I've been fussing over covers and structures.
Why is tulle preferred?
I was looking at shadecloth too (not knowing what it was). Curious stuff, especially the aluminet. Reminds me of the NASA blankets with holes. I would think it would create a lot of glare!
Has anyone tried cheesecloth? There are 3 weaves (10-mesh, 50-gauze, 90-polishing gauze). Home Depot sells grade 90 @ 5 SQY for 3.50, which is about $0.72 per yard.
I wonder how 90 grade would work as a shadecloth.
Ava
AvaDGardner- Posts : 634
Join date : 2012-02-17
Location : Garden Grove, CA (still Zone 10b)
Re: tulle or other row covers
And what about netting from the fabric store...can we use that or are the holes too big?
CC
CC
CapeCoddess- Posts : 6824
Join date : 2012-05-20
Age : 68
Location : elbow of the Cape, MA, Zone 6b/7a
Re: tulle or other row covers
i use tulleCapeCoddess wrote:And what about netting from the fabric store...can we use that or are the holes too big?
CC
43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
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Re: tulle or other row covers
coupon for 60% off at JoAnn's fabrics.
good till aug 30
http://www.joann.com/coupon
buy you tulle now
good till aug 30
http://www.joann.com/coupon
buy you tulle now
A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
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walshevak
Certified SFG Instructor- Posts : 4374
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 81
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8
Re: tulle or other row covers
Thanks! How much is it usually?
cpl100- Posts : 420
Join date : 2012-06-25
Location : MA Zone 6a
Re: tulle or other row covers
About $1.50/yd in my area.
CC
CC
CapeCoddess- Posts : 6824
Join date : 2012-05-20
Age : 68
Location : elbow of the Cape, MA, Zone 6b/7a
Re: tulle or other row covers
Usually runs about $2.99 for the 108" wide and about half that for the 54" wide at Joann's
Kay
Kay
A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
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walshevak
Certified SFG Instructor- Posts : 4374
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 81
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8
Re: tulle or other row covers
I bought some today. The regular price for 108" wide was $2.99. With 60% off the net price per yard was $1.20. Thank you all for notifying us to the coupon and sale ending date.
yolos- Posts : 4152
Join date : 2011-11-20
Age : 74
Location : Brooks, Ga Zone 7B/8A
Re: tulle or other row covers
I'm just annoyed I'm in Kenya and can't take advantage.
But Joann's runs coupons frequently.
Kay
But Joann's runs coupons frequently.
Kay
A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
Click for weather forecast
walshevak
Certified SFG Instructor- Posts : 4374
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 81
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8
Re: tulle or other row covers
It will go on sale again come spring wedding season. I hope you are well in Kenya. When are you homeward bound?walshevak wrote:I'm just annoyed I'm in Kenya and can't take advantage.
But Joann's runs coupons frequently.
Kay
43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost
There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t1306-other-gardening-books
Re: tulle or other row covers
I'll be back in the US on Sep 10. Gonna be interesting to see what's left in the the garden.
Kay
Kay
A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
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walshevak
Certified SFG Instructor- Posts : 4374
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 81
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8
Re: tulle or other row covers
Hi how much of the 108"tulle is enough for a 4x4 bed?Thinking about making a hoop tent for five 4 sq ft beds but have no clue how many yards are needed per bed since it is already about nine ft wide?Thanks in advance.
HOUSTONMOM- Posts : 40
Join date : 2012-12-28
Location : HOUSTON
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