Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]
Grafted Tomato Plants? Toplef10Grafted Tomato Plants? 1zd3ho10

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.

Grafted Tomato Plants? I22gcj10Grafted Tomato Plants? 14dhcg10

[/td][/tr][/table]

Join the forum, it's quick and easy

Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]
Grafted Tomato Plants? Toplef10Grafted Tomato Plants? 1zd3ho10

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.

Grafted Tomato Plants? I22gcj10Grafted Tomato Plants? 14dhcg10

[/td][/tr][/table]
Square Foot Gardening Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Horsey poop
by MrBooker Today at 5:39 pm

» Calling all juice bar waste composters...
by KiwiSFGnewbie Today at 5:21 pm

» Sealing Barrels Flowers Struggling-Need Ideas
by Scorpio Rising Today at 10:10 am

» Happy Birthday!!
by Scorpio Rising Today at 10:00 am

» Compost bins: Open vs. closed
by Scorpio Rising Today at 9:59 am

» Famous Gardening Quotes
by sanderson Yesterday at 10:53 pm

» Hello From the Kern River Valley from Kernville, Ca
by sanderson Yesterday at 9:52 pm

» N&C Midwest January & February 2024
by OhioGardener Yesterday at 2:46 pm

» Mark's first SFG
by sanderson 2/25/2024, 1:36 am

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by sanderson 2/25/2024, 1:26 am

» Prefab compost question
by DMann 2/24/2024, 12:37 pm

» Starbucks for coffee grounds!
by OhioGardener 2/24/2024, 7:44 am

» Kiwi's SFG Adventure
by sanderson 2/23/2024, 5:39 pm

» Hello from Surrey
by sanderson 2/23/2024, 12:29 am

» Kitty Control
by sanderson 2/22/2024, 10:49 pm

» Western Mount/High Plains: Seed Planting Dates
by Turan 2/22/2024, 4:07 pm

» Jjean59 first SFG - 2024
by Scorpio Rising 2/22/2024, 11:00 am

» Winter Lag - Waiting for Sprimg
by sanderson 2/21/2024, 4:36 pm

» TDs 2024 SFG
by Turan 2/21/2024, 12:09 am

» Hello! From GA! Newbie
by sanderson 2/20/2024, 9:53 pm

» Sweet Potato Slips - Buy or Grow?
by sanderson 2/20/2024, 1:27 pm

» Seeds 'n Such Free Shipping
by sanderson 2/20/2024, 1:09 pm

» Ohio Gardener's Greenhouse
by OhioGardener 2/19/2024, 5:46 pm

» Hi from Central Oregon
by donnainzone5 2/18/2024, 5:50 pm

» Mealybugs?
by OhioGardener 2/17/2024, 11:02 am

» Holy snow Batman!
by OhioGardener 2/17/2024, 10:59 am

» Second Life for Determinate Tomatoes?
by OhioGardener 2/16/2024, 7:35 am

» Recommended store bought compost - Photos of composts
by sanderson 2/9/2024, 10:52 pm

» Now is The Time To Take Seed Inventory
by sanderson 2/5/2024, 5:34 pm

» Homemade Seed Starting Mix
by sanderson 2/4/2024, 4:05 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

Grafted Tomato Plants?

+5
LaFee
ander217
camprn
Lavender Debs
Furbalsmom
9 posters

Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Furbalsmom 1/9/2011, 2:36 pm

Reading my new Territorial Seed Co Catalog I found a new product line, grafted tomato plants


Territorial Grafted Tomatoes


The paper catalog description (could not find it on the website) includes
"Vigorous Rootstock enables more effective uptake of water and nutrients, and increases plant's resistance to pests or disease and tolerance to temperature extremes and drought"

What do you think about this, particularly for PNW, as it often is very cool in the Spring and Summer

ps: These are not cheap. The on-line catalog lists the plants at $6.95 to $11.50 per plant

I'm looking for anything to increase my chances of a good tomato harvest here.


Last edited by Furbalsmom on 1/9/2011, 2:48 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : adding prices)
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Lavender Debs 1/9/2011, 3:46 pm

I saw that, do you plan to try one? I wonder what ol' Steve Solomon would say about it? How is is really different than an F1 since you cannot save seed? I'd be interested to see what you get for you $15 (In Wa it has to ship)
Lavender Debs
Lavender Debs

Posts : 2054
Join date : 2010-03-03
Age : 66
Location : Everett, WA USA

http://songs-of-coming-rain.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Furbalsmom 1/9/2011, 4:30 pm

Did not even think about saving seeds, though with the heirloom varieties, seems you could save the seeds. Of course, the next year, you would not have the more "vigorous" rootstock.

I was intrigued by the idea of (quote from TSC's paper catalog) "even gardeners in challenging climates can enjoy AMPLE harvests of America's favorite garden crop" My heart kind of sped up when I heard ample harvest relating to tomatoes.

Heirloom tomatoes from my local markets are $2.50 to $5 per pound. If I could harvest at least 3 - 4 lbs, seems like it is not a bad deal if it works.

I think I may try one or two, probably single varieties, though they offer a double variety. With SFG, I am concerned about the spacing with trying to grow two varieties on one plant. I will have to call them (seems like they are not open on Sundays during this time of year) and make sure they will have the grafted ones for sale in their shop in Cottage Grove, OR. Since I go to that area at least once a month, I would not have shipping to consider.



Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Lavender Debs 1/9/2011, 4:35 pm

Awesome..... can you photo-document? That would be kewl.
Lavender Debs
Lavender Debs

Posts : 2054
Join date : 2010-03-03
Age : 66
Location : Everett, WA USA

http://songs-of-coming-rain.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  camprn 1/9/2011, 4:57 pm

Very interesting! In poking about looking for info about the grafted tomato I found several interesting things of note.

Some chatter on another forum. There is a mention here about grafting tomato onto rootstock of eggplant and potato.

A research paper from NCSU from several years ago.

At this blog there is a video explaining how grafting is done.

This paper from 2010 is an interesting read discussing grafted tomato varieties and also red vs. black plastic mulch.

This link goes to a site from New Zealand where grafted tomatoes have been used for years.
camprn
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14169
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 61
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Furbalsmom 1/9/2011, 5:02 pm

I plan on lots of photos, because I am also changing up to Table Tops this Spring (from an old style amended soil SFG)

Area selected ? CHECK

Layout Designed? CHECK

Lumber for SFG frame? CHECK

4X4 inch posts for legs? CHECK

Specs for each box? CHECK

Hardware Cloth? CHECK

Weed Cloth? CHECK

Screws etc? CHECK

Mel's Mix ingredients? CHECK

Busy Husband? DAG NAB IT!
but he promises they will be done soon
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Furbalsmom 1/9/2011, 6:22 pm

Camprn, thanks for those informative links.

I am glad I checked each site as there was some different info provided in each. I was glad to see the information on red mulch included in the paper on grafted tomatoes.

I am thinking I will try two grafted tomatoes, and hopefully with red mulch and the more vigorous root stock on the Heirloom scions, the combination will help alleviate some of the problems we have here.

I know tomatoes, no matter the rootstock will still need a high number of GDDs, over which we have no control (and received too little for the last two years), but perhaps the red mulch, by reflecting the red spectrum of light onto the leaves, will also help the fruit mature a little faster.

The price is more than I usually spend on tomato plants, but I think I will try them, assuming I am able to pick a couple of them up at the Territorial Seed Co. store.
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: busy husband

Post  ander217 1/10/2011, 12:59 pm

Furbalsmom wrote:I plan on lots of photos, because I am also changing up to Table Tops this Spring (from an old style amended soil SFG)

Area selected ? CHECK

Layout Designed? CHECK

Lumber for SFG frame? CHECK

4X4 inch posts for legs? CHECK

Specs for each box? CHECK

Hardware Cloth? CHECK

Weed Cloth? CHECK

Screws etc? CHECK

Mel's Mix ingredients? CHECK

Busy Husband? DAG NAB IT!
but he promises they will be done soon

funny post (Let me know how that last one works out. I have one I'm trying to convince.)
ander217
ander217

Female Posts : 1450
Join date : 2010-03-16
Age : 69
Location : Southeastern Missouri (6b)

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  LaFee 1/10/2011, 1:26 pm

My dad insisted that we girls learned to use basic hand tools...it's a nice thing, because my own lazy self is all I have to wait on to get my boxes built!
avatar
LaFee

Female Posts : 1023
Join date : 2010-03-03
Location : West Central Florida

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  middlemamma 1/10/2011, 8:05 pm

LOL La Fee.... I tell hubby that as long as he gets out of cleaning the toilet then I don't have to build anything for myself! He says that is fine. Smile lol!

I saw those grafted Toms and was thinking I might try one or two as well Furbalsmom...I wonder if we got the same ones we could compare results....which ones are you going to get. ? I wanted to try ONE of the 2 kind ones myself...just cause I think that is so cool. But I wouldn't have to.

When I was a kid my grandparents had a GINORMOUS tree in their yard that was a grafted 1/2 white nectarine and 1/2 plum tree. It was gorgeous and I have a lot of good childhood memories of that tree. Playing under it, eating it's fruit, watching grandpa chase the neighborhood kids away with a rake! LOL. He would have given anyone who asked as much fruit as they could carry...but these kids would climb in the tree and break off branches to get to the fruit and not ask. Evil or Very Mad So every afternoon when school let out he stood guard over the tree with a rake. Smile lol!

Anyway the tree in an of itself was beautiful. It bloomed at two different times of the year and it was huge. So you had 1/2 a tree with beautiful fragrant blossoms and then fruit and then the other half would do the same thing. It was just really cool to see as a kid. Smile
middlemamma
middlemamma
 
 

Female Posts : 2264
Join date : 2010-04-25
Age : 46
Location : Idaho Panhandle

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  miinva 1/10/2011, 9:33 pm

I'm planning to do plastic mulch for some of our tomatoes and in researching, I read that silver mulch actually works better than red. I thought about getting some of each and trying it, but the study I found said that silver was notably better. I wish I had bookmarked that study! Sad It said silver, then red, then black, and I think it was from a university study in the south. I wouldn't use black mulch here in Virginia because I think it would heat the soil up too much during the blistering summer.

I saw the grafted tomatoes too and my husband asked if I wanted to try one or two Smile I don't know if we will, though, because we have a wonderful local source for great tomato plants at our local farmer's market.
avatar
miinva

Female Posts : 780
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 55
Location : Central Virginia, 7A as far as I can tell

http://www.ungardener.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  acara 1/10/2011, 10:48 pm

Obviously not the be-all-end-all of tomatos' ..... but I'm struggling with the concept/benefit here.

I don't see where any of the three historical benefits of grafting are applicable...

No "maturity benefit" (not reducing fruit production time), no optimization of breed/stock (not growing "good" varieties on "bad" varieties) and no cultivating/reproductive benefits .... tomatoes grow just fine if you plant the suckers with a little rooting powder.... why would I pay 5x the cost of a transplant, or 12x the cost of a seed plant, for the same (?) results I could have, in the same plant, by just growing the actual variety in the first place???


Help ...I'm obviously missing the concept here
acara
acara

Male Posts : 1012
Join date : 2010-08-27
Age : 54
Location : Wesley Chapel, Florida (Zone 9)

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Furbalsmom 1/11/2011, 12:40 am

They say..............The advantages of grafted tomatoes are ...

That the rootstock is more tolerant of heat or cool weather, of which we have an abundance in OR, as well as less susceptible to soil born diseases, early and late blight, blossom end rot, and increased water and nutrient take up. You can plant earlier/harvest longer

The scion (the plant grafted onto the rootstock) is from a more desirable plant , resulting in better quality crops and fruit production. Varieties we might not even try in our cool weather.

Though not all of the scions offered are OP, the ones I am considering are.

If you have not been able to produce tomatoes due to cool climate limitations, it sounds wonderful.

Oh, and don't let my zone fool you. It is only because of the moderate temps in the winter, that I have a high zone #, the normal high temps in the "heat" of the summer are only in the mid 60's to 70's. Rarely does it even hit 80 degrees.

I think I will try two, Brandywine and Japanese Black Trifele. Of course, the proof is at the end of the season. If it doesn't work, I will live. I am also going to try other tomatoes from seed.


Last edited by Furbalsmom on 1/11/2011, 12:51 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : added zone info)
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 77
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  acara 1/11/2011, 3:57 am

Hmmm ... *curiosity wheels are spinning*

Keep us posted on how that goes Very Happy
acara
acara

Male Posts : 1012
Join date : 2010-08-27
Age : 54
Location : Wesley Chapel, Florida (Zone 9)

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Lavender Debs 1/11/2011, 10:48 am

I'm just jazzed that someone is going to give it a go and report back.
Lavender Debs
Lavender Debs

Posts : 2054
Join date : 2010-03-03
Age : 66
Location : Everett, WA USA

http://songs-of-coming-rain.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Odd Duck 1/12/2011, 12:28 pm

Very interesting thread, can't wait to see some comparisons.

Don't forget that even if the scion is OP, saving seed won't get you the hardy root stock, so any offspring will be back to the possibly non-resistant scion.
avatar
Odd Duck

Female Posts : 327
Join date : 2010-03-08
Age : 61
Location : DFW, TX, Zone 7b/8a

Back to top Go down

Grafted Tomato Plants? Empty Re: Grafted Tomato Plants?

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum