Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]
SOAP verses DETERGENT Toplef10SOAP verses DETERGENT 1zd3ho10

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.

SOAP verses DETERGENT I22gcj10SOAP verses DETERGENT 14dhcg10

[/td][/tr][/table]

Join the forum, it's quick and easy

Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]
SOAP verses DETERGENT Toplef10SOAP verses DETERGENT 1zd3ho10

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.

SOAP verses DETERGENT I22gcj10SOAP verses DETERGENT 14dhcg10

[/td][/tr][/table]
Square Foot Gardening Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Tomatoes not having growth
by SMEDLEY BUTLER Yesterday at 11:28 pm

» Birds of the Garden
by SMEDLEY BUTLER Yesterday at 9:54 pm

» N & C Midwest—May 2024
by OhioGardener Yesterday at 8:57 pm

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by Scorpio Rising Yesterday at 5:35 pm

» Anyone know about growing plumeria ?
by SMEDLEY BUTLER Yesterday at 2:46 pm

» Spring Flowers
by SMEDLEY BUTLER Yesterday at 10:47 am

» What Have You Picked From Your Garden Today
by SMEDLEY BUTLER Yesterday at 12:35 am

» Dealing with Critters in Garden
by SMEDLEY BUTLER 5/24/2024, 12:15 am

» Can I sew row cover material?
by ktomchik 5/23/2024, 9:49 pm

» Sacrificial Tomatoes
by SMEDLEY BUTLER 5/23/2024, 8:15 pm

» Senseless Banter...
by MrBooker 5/21/2024, 6:41 pm

» What do I do with tomato plants?
by OhioGardener 5/20/2024, 9:34 am

» Ohio Gardener's Greenhouse
by OhioGardener 5/18/2024, 7:02 pm

» Compost not hot
by OhioGardener 5/17/2024, 8:05 am

» First timer in Central Virginia (7b) - newly built beds 2024
by flossy21 5/16/2024, 5:34 pm

» Help me correct my mistakes for next year please
by SMEDLEY BUTLER 5/16/2024, 4:46 pm

» Cabbage worms
by sanderson 5/16/2024, 1:34 am

» Complicated mixed up bunny poop!
by plantoid 5/14/2024, 7:20 pm

» They don't call 'em garden BEDS for nothing.
by sanderson 5/12/2024, 2:34 am

» Greetings from Southport NC
by sanderson 5/6/2024, 4:36 am

» In the news: Biosolids in Texas.
by sanderson 5/6/2024, 4:19 am

» Rhubarb Rhubarb
by Scorpio Rising 5/5/2024, 7:57 pm

» Mark's first SFG
by markqz 5/4/2024, 12:08 am

» question about the digital tools from the sfg site.
by OhioGardener 5/2/2024, 4:50 pm

» Assistance Needed: Sugar Snap Peas Yellowing and Wilting
by Scorpio Rising 5/1/2024, 8:24 pm

» OMG, GMO from an unexpected place.
by sanderson 5/1/2024, 1:57 am

» N & C Midwest: March and April 2024
by Scorpio Rising 4/29/2024, 1:30 pm

» Lovage, has anyone grown, or used
by OhioGardener 4/29/2024, 12:27 pm

» New to SFG in Arlington, Tx
by sanderson 4/26/2024, 3:13 pm

» Soil Blocks: Tutorial In Photos
by OhioGardener 4/25/2024, 5:20 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

SOAP verses DETERGENT

2 posters

Go down

SOAP verses DETERGENT Empty SOAP verses DETERGENT

Post  sanderson 8/2/2021, 5:53 pm

I am posting this to help clarify the difference between soaps and detergents.  Most of us have seen the videos of rescue workers gently washing oil-soaked ducklings with Dawn detergent.  Hey, if it's gentle enough for ducklings, it must be gentle enough for our plants!

Wrong.  Detergent is necessary for this specific use because it is good at cutting grease and oils, just like it does for our dirty pots and dishes.  But, using it for our plants is NOT healthy.  This article was authored by Docwas for another web site, and with his permission, I am posting it here.

Dr Bonner’s peppermint pure castile soap is listed as having the potassium salts  of Long Chain Fatty Acids (LCFA) . The label mentions use to spray bugs on plants.

https://www.drbronner.com/all-one-blog/2017/06/dilutions-cheat-sheet-dr-bronners-pure-castile-soap/

https://www.lisabronner.com/castile-soap-spray-for-garden-pests/

Products approved by the EPA for use as an insecticidal soap will include the specific insects that it is effective against as well as the proper usage of that products.

Insecticidal soap is a frequently recommended pesticide for use against many soft-bodied pests that affect the garden and landscape. It has no residual effect and is considered safe for humans, pets, and most beneficial insects.

I see many posts on some gardening Facebook pages that give recipes for homemade insecticidal soap using common dish soaps.  Unfortunately, many recipes aren’t for insecticidal soap at all, they are for insecticidal detergents since most dish “soaps” are detergents.

There is a big difference between soaps and detergents and how they affect our plants.  A soap has long and short chain fatty acids, and it is the fatty acids that work against most soft-bodied insect pests. True insecticidal soaps only have the long-chain fatty acids.  Detergents are mostly petroleum based synthetic chemicals that are designed to breakup oils and grease.  That’s what makes a detergent superior to a soap for cleaning dishes.  However, that property of a detergent is what makes it bad for plants.  Detergents can remove the natural protective oils on plant leaves and make the plant more susceptible to pests and diseases.  The soap that has been studied and approved for its ability to safely control soft bodied insects in the garden is made from the long chain fatty acids of potassium salts.  There are numerous products that are commercially available either as a concentrate or a ready to use spray, and these are all properly labeled for pesticide use.

The main thing is for you to be aware of what you are spraying on your plants and keep the Dawn under the kitchen sink where it belongs.

Here are some links to informative information about insecticidal soap:

https://www.gardenfundamentals.com/insecticidal-soap-use.../

https://www.gardenmyths.com/dish-soap-damage-your-plants/

https://hgic.clemson.edu/.../insecticidal-soaps-for.../

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
sanderson
sanderson

Forum Administrator

Female Posts : 21568
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 75
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/#!!&app=io.ox/mail&

Nicola likes this post

Back to top Go down

SOAP verses DETERGENT Empty Re: SOAP verses DETERGENT

Post  sanderson 9/5/2022, 2:16 pm

I'm bumping this thread to remind folks that Dawn dish detergent for insect control is not supported by the SFG Foundation. Castile soaps, like Dr. Bronner's Liquid Peppermint Soap, and insecticidal soaps are supported.

https://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/care/pests-and-diseases/pests/management/soaps-detergents-and-pest-management.html?fbclid=IwAR3qNr9Qt9B03knyqAjODIR07GCGyu8JPKBp8dbtJn9ZxhuUWMEmC25x4d0

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
sanderson
sanderson

Forum Administrator

Female Posts : 21568
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 75
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/#!!&app=io.ox/mail&

donnainzone5 likes this post

Back to top Go down

SOAP verses DETERGENT Empty Re: SOAP verses DETERGENT

Post  OhioGardener 9/5/2022, 4:32 pm

Good reminder!  In addition to the above, there are a couple important points:

Dawn Detergent is anti-bacterial.  We want the microbes in our gardens, so we don't want to use anti-bacterial soap.

The peppermint scent of Dr. Bonner's Castile Peppermint Soap has the added benefit of repelling many insects. So, in addition to the soap controlling the pests, the peppermint repels other insects.

____________________________

"In short, the soil food web feeds everything you eat and helps keep your favorite planet from getting too hot. Be nice to it."  ~ Diane Miessler, "Grow Your Soil"
OhioGardener
OhioGardener

Forum Moderator

Male Posts : 4565
Join date : 2018-08-06
Location : SW Ohio

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkKWnsWrs0RIcyIQD1_Z26g

sanderson likes this post

Back to top Go down

SOAP verses DETERGENT Empty Re: SOAP verses DETERGENT

Post  sanderson 9/5/2022, 5:20 pm

OhioGardener wrote:Dawn Detergent is anti-bacterial.  We want the microbes in our gardens, so we don't want to use anti-bacterial soap.
Yes, I think there are at least 2 ingredients that are anti-microbial.

"Dawn Detergent Ingredients.
water.
sodium lauryl sulfate.
sodium laureth sulfate.
lauramine oxide.
sodium chloride.
phenoxyethanol.
PEI-14 PEG-10/PPG-7 copolymer.
methylisothiazolinone.
fragrance.
yellow 5"

The peppermint scent of Dr. Bonner's Castile Peppermint Soap has the added benefit of repelling many insects. So, in addition to the soap controlling the pests, the peppermint repels other insects.
Repellent, and it smells so dang good!

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
sanderson
sanderson

Forum Administrator

Female Posts : 21568
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 75
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/#!!&app=io.ox/mail&

Back to top Go down

SOAP verses DETERGENT Empty Re: SOAP verses DETERGENT

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum