Re: New England ~ March 2014

**sanderson** 3/30/2014, 1:22 pm

quiltbea wrote:
Tip: Never hold your seedlings by their stems when transplanting. If you must hold them, hold them by their leaves. Holding the stem can crush parts of the circulatory system very easily.

"Lift by it's ears"
Page 122 ANSFG 1st. Ed. Page 131 2nd Ed.

CapeCoddess 3/30/2014, 2:57 pm

OK, the deed is done...I planted out: New England ~ March 2014 - Page 5 Photo_20

Left sqs = Dwarf kale; middle sqs = 2 Champion collards/4 Tuscan kale; right sqs = CC collards.

I had planned on putting out only a few of each but the 2 nursery/farms I stopped at in my travels this AM both said OK to plant out now. So the whole lot has gone out except for a few of the larger Tuscans & Champions, which will be planted in the perennial gardens when I get around to it.

This means that the kale, collards, peas seeds & spinach seeds are all planted. Yikes!

Anyone know at what temp the cabbage moth appears?

CC

**sanderson** 3/30/2014, 3:02 pm

CapeCoddess wrote:
Anyone know at what temp the cabbage moth appears?

CC

When you aren't ready for them! Get the tulle / netting ready now!

**AtlantaMarie** 3/30/2014, 3:24 pm

Good for you, CC! Looks great!

NHGardener 3/30/2014, 4:14 pm

Looks great, CC!

Marc Iverson 3/30/2014, 5:19 pm

CapeCoddess wrote:
Anyone know at what temp the cabbage moth appears?

70, said our entomology lecturer. We're seeing them already, though it rarely reaches 70 here and the nights are still sometimes freezing. I guess you only have to hit it once to set off the trigger.

CapeCoddess 3/30/2014, 6:08 pm

Marc Iverson wrote:
CapeCoddess wrote:
Anyone know at what temp the cabbage moth appears?

70, said our entomology lecturer. We're seeing them already, though it rarely reaches 70 here and the nights are still sometimes freezing. I guess you only have to hit it once to set off the trigger.

Wow...that is really good to know. I don't think we'll see 70 for a long time. I wonder ... what if the sun beats down on them? The sun is pretty hot here now even though the air temp isn't 70 yet.

CC

**camprn** 3/30/2014, 8:39 pm

Cabbage worm IPM
http://www.vegedge.umn.edu/vegpest/colecrop/cabbworm.htm

boffer 3/30/2014, 10:50 pm

Hard to argue with an entomology lecturer.

I would have guessed that the cabbage moth appears after a certain number of GDDs are accumulated, rather than a specific temperature.

GDD information helps gardeners anticipate when buds and blooms on landscape plants will appear and the ripening of vegetables in the garden. Farmers use GDDs to know when the bad pests will impact their growing crops. GDDs are used to time herbicide application on lawns to control broadleaf weeds. GDDs are also used to time the development stages of pest insects for the most-effective use of pest controls as part of an Integrated Pest Management plan.

I've been looking for the GDD data for cabbage moths, but as usual, GDD data of specific plants and pests is hard to find.

boffer 4/1/2014, 12:22 am

CapeCoddess wrote:...Anyone know at what temp the cabbage moth appears?

CC

I'm getting closer to finding the answer!

http://uspest.org/cgi-bin/ddmodel.us?sta=D9542&mdt=all&spp=cbl&cal=S1&tlow=50&thi=90&stm=1&std=1&styr=14&enm=12&end=1&cel=0&spyr=0&shd=1&mkt=0&mkg=1&ipc=1&evnts=3

This is for the cabbage looper, based on temperature data from Chatham. Maybe you can find similar data for the cabbage moth.

New England ~ March 2014 - Page 5 Screen12

New England ~ March 2014 - Page 5 Screen12

Marc Iverson 4/1/2014, 12:37 am

boffer wrote:Hard to argue with an entomology lecturer.

I would have guessed that the cabbage moth appears after a certain number of GDDs are accumulated, rather than a specific temperature.

It was said as an aside in conversation with someone rather than as an authoritative part of the lecture, and it could be that around here, 70 tends to coincide with the accumulation of X number of GDD's. I could see how the GDD's might accumulate differently somewhere else, and so give rise to the moth's appearance at a different temperature or time frame. But that's just speculation on my part, since you raised an interesting possibility.

According to the site you linked, GDD makes our first hatch four days away. I saw cabbage moths a week, maybe a week and a half ago. Anyway, I think it was a day after hitting 70.

2SooCrew 4/30/2014, 11:32 am

Your plants are fantastic!

I'm going to start seeds on the weekend! Some indoors and the cold weather crops out in the hoop house!

Water pipes are now thawed!!!!

quiltbea 4/30/2014, 11:45 am

2SoCrew....And I thought I had it bad with snow into April. At least our water pipes never froze. And the snow pack was about all melted early April.

yolos 4/30/2014, 9:23 pm

Thanks Boffer, that was a great site. I now know approx. when to watch out for tomato blight in my area.

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