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Post  hammock gal 6/23/2017, 10:30 am

Now that's pretty! I can just imagine how that would look with squash or melons dangling from it. Do a google image search so you can find a pic to show your wife how amazing it would look, and you can convince her you NEED one! Very Happy
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Post  CapeCoddess 6/23/2017, 10:39 am

@Robbomb116 wrote:Somewhat off topic, but his is my plan for my next box(es). The trellis would be made of cattle panel and be used for winter squash and possibly melons.  It's just if the wife will let me build more boxes haha
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I would LOVE to do that...especially with my grapes, and my cherry toms since they grow to be about 15 ft.  But alas, no cattle panels around here.
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Post  newbeone 6/23/2017, 1:31 pm

I use the full 10' and then shove it down into the ground over re-bar mine end up about 8' above my beds  I'm 5' 7" and that's about my max with a stretch.
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Post  trolleydriver 6/28/2017, 7:30 am

Nice trellising video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raFtcKNpGYM

The funny thing is that he says the conduit and fittings are expensive ... for example, he says the "brackets" run from $2.50 to $3.50.  I had to laugh because up here in Canada those brackets (90 degree fittings) cost over $6 Cdn ($4.50 USD) and a 10 foot length of conduit is around $6 as well.


Mke your own nylon trellis netting.

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Post  CapeCoddess 9/17/2017, 10:19 am

Bump...

@brianj555 wrote:
@CapeCoddess wrote:I just priced it out and it's now $9 per trellis. Dang that inflation!
  but I buy in bulk -
Three 10 ft conduits at 2.81 a piece = two 5s, two 6s, two 4s = 2 trellises = one 5' X 4' & one 6'x 4'
2 pvc elbow connectors, Barbed = 1.21 ea
 netting  15 ft at $7= three 4' & one 3'.
Well I had no idea they could be made that inexpensively.  Are those mentioned above 4' wide or 4' tall. I just don't think that even 5' tall would be tall enough.  I'm figuring needing this height based on the fact that I have a determinate plant right now who's main stem is over 6' tall. ( the others are more like 5')  Maybe because of the climate down here.  I'm just thinking the indeterminates will be even taller.  Although I guess at if it's 7$ for 4' x 15' I could have two at 7.5' tall.  That wouldn't be a bad price.  See if I could make 4 of 4' x 7.5' for like $50 , that would be great. I was just figuring $100.  You do need to factor in rebar 4' (x8) and then 16 "u" clips to secure them to the bed as well. At 7.5' tall, I would need ten 10' conduits, which would also increase the cost.  How tall do your indeterminates main stem usually get?


Near the beginning of this thread is the answer to how big my indeterminants can get.

I made a mistake on some of these prices above. The elbow connectors are $0.69 each here. The trellis netting was 30 ft long and $7.77 from Amazon. I did forget to put the price of the rebar in because I got them for free from my boss but they are a dollar fifty for two foot length at Home Depot.
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Post  Roseinarosecity 6/26/2018, 5:40 pm

It's still June and most of my indeterminate tomatoes have reached the 6 foot trellises.  They are made from PVC and one of them is leaning with so much weight from the tomato plant.  I have pruned it twice from the top and taken out any extra that I can't attached it to the trellis netting; some tomatoes on this trellis are still green and some are beginning to yellow (they are yellow pear-shaped tomatoes).

Do people's trellises made from electrical conduit also lean with the weight of an indeterminate tomato plant?  I used 4 foot rod irons and I hammered them down at least 1 foot down.  Maybe it's time to rethink my design. 
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Post  Roseinarosecity 6/27/2018, 6:21 pm

Yes, I have some that my husband made.
I'm thinking an 8 ft. trellis would be too high for me.  Maybe, I need to think about creating a connector between two trellises, like a bridge, to keep it sturdier. 
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Still, the tomatoes get so top heavy.
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Post  yolos 6/27/2018, 8:28 pm

Now I use 3/4 inch EMT and use those brackets that sanderson pictured.  But, if I were you for right now, I would tie a rope onto the top of the leaning trellis (maybe both sides of the trellis) pull the ropes to the right to stand the trellis up straight and then anchor the rope somehow on or near the ground.  Tent stake.  Maybe tie/nail it to the side of the bed.  Anything to keep the rope pulling on the trellis to keep it upright.

One year I used PVC and ended up having your same problem.  I used this method to keep it up straight.  I used small slats to keep it upright instead of ropes but ropes or wires would work just as good and be a lot easier to install.
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The above 4 x 4 beds have a pvc trellis.  I used 1x1 pine boards/braces to keep the trellis from falling over.  I attached the braces to near the top of the trellis and then also attached them to the front of the box.  That kept the trellis upright.

Here is the same trellis I did the year before except it had two vertical supports but the wood bracing is still the same.
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Post  sanderson 6/28/2018, 1:31 am

I use 3-way PVC fittings to keep the trellises squared.   Trellis - Page 2 Trelli11

For longer beds with middle supports, I also use 4-way fittings. Trellis - Page 2 Trelli12

I also set the 1/2" PVC in 1" PVC "cup holders" that are screwed into the corners inside the boxes. Trellis - Page 2 Table_10

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Post  Roseinarosecity 6/28/2018, 5:25 pm

3 way and 4 way PVC fittings look like an easy fix I can do now.  I like the brace idea, too. 

I'm still wondering how high do SFG'ners build their tomato trellises?  It's crazy going out there every three days to trim off the tops of indeterminate tomatoes.
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Post  sanderson 6/28/2018, 11:44 pm

My tomato trellises max at 6 feet 'cuz I'm short.

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Post  yolos 6/29/2018, 12:03 am

@Roseinarosecity wrote:
I'm still wondering how high do SFG'ners build their tomato trellises?  It's crazy going out there every three days to trim off the tops of indeterminate tomatoes.
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Minimum of 8 feet usually a tall tomato cage.  Last year I extended one cage to 10 feet and it was still too small.  Already this year the tomato plants are over the top of the 8 foot cage.  We do have a long growing season so if we can keep the plants healthy there is no limit to the height they can grow.  But the ideal height for me is 8 feet.  I have a very sturdy step stool that makes that possible.

A very sturdy step ladder.  Easily allows me to harvest tomatoes and beans on 8 foot tall trellises.
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Post  Roseinarosecity 6/29/2018, 2:14 pm

@yolos wrote: Last year I extended one cage to 10 feet and it was still too small. 
WOW, 10 feet was still too small!  I can't even remember having ripe tomatoes at 6 ft.  It seems the plant gets sick and I get it out.  I'll have to take notice this year how high do my tomatoes ripen and still have a healthy plant.  I don't have a lot of space between beds, so I'm not sure how I would get those high tomatoes safely if I had an 8 foot trellis.
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