Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.


[/td][/tr][/table]
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Fourth Year SFG in Canada
by Kelejan Today at 7:52 pm

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by trolleydriver Today at 6:36 pm

» Mary Mary quite contrary, how does your garlic grow?
by plantoid Today at 5:53 pm

» G'day newbie from down under
by plantoid Today at 5:16 pm

» SUGA 2018
by SQWIB Today at 12:16 pm

» New England October, 2018
by bluelacedredhead Today at 12:11 pm

» has55's R & D Journey- Garden beds
by has55 Today at 9:13 am

» CANADIAN REGION:What are you doing October - December 2018
by Kelejan Today at 12:46 am

» 2018 SFG in Brooks, GA
by sanderson Yesterday at 10:55 pm

» the SFG journey-rain and pest
by sanderson Yesterday at 10:48 pm

» Sanderson - On the Road
by sanderson Yesterday at 4:53 pm

» N&C Midwest: October 2018
by Scorpio Rising 10/16/2018, 9:59 pm

» Fall, Winter in the Western Plains and Mountains
by sanderson 10/16/2018, 12:50 pm

» Sanderson's Urban SFG in Fresno, California
by sanderson 10/16/2018, 12:24 pm

» October Avatar: Fall Gardening
by countrynaturals 10/16/2018, 11:20 am

» Garlic SFG
by OhioGardener 10/16/2018, 10:21 am

» parsnips in square foot garden?
by trolleydriver 10/14/2018, 8:44 pm

» Hurricane Michael
by Scorpio Rising 10/14/2018, 5:36 pm

» My First SFG...Work in progress
by clm2112 10/14/2018, 8:36 am

» Happy Birthday!!
by Scorpio Rising 10/13/2018, 8:03 pm

» Sorry I haven't been around
by Scorpio Rising 10/13/2018, 8:00 pm

» White Mesh from Joann's Fabric for Insect Exclsuion
by has55 10/13/2018, 9:56 am

» yellowing coloring on cauliflower disease
by has55 10/13/2018, 9:42 am

» Butterfly Junction
by sanderson 10/11/2018, 11:54 pm

» Sanderson's Table Top Beds
by sanderson 10/11/2018, 11:53 pm

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by Scorpio Rising 10/11/2018, 9:43 pm

» FALL NEWSLETTER from the SFG FOUNDATION
by Scorpio Rising 10/11/2018, 5:51 pm

» Non-Standard Garden Area Prep Questions
by sanderson 10/10/2018, 1:11 pm

» What's your favorite kitchen/garden gadget?
by OhioGardener 10/10/2018, 9:10 am

» Artichoke & Kale
by countrynaturals 10/7/2018, 7:15 pm

Google

Search SFG Forum

Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Go down

Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  landarch on 3/13/2014, 10:40 pm

Can you tell the clear winner?

Tomatillo and Tomato seedlings in Jiffy Peat Pellets on the left...tomato seedlings in NK Seed Starting Mix.

Had the same results last year.  My only complaint about Jiffy is that the refill pellets are just as expensive as buying a whole new kit (pellets, tray, clear lid)...doesn't make sense.




Also trying 16 oz clear cups from Walmart to pot-up seedlings this year (holes drilled in bottom).
avatar
landarch

Posts : 1152
Join date : 2012-01-22
Location : kansas city

View user profile

Back to top Go down

RE: SEED STARTING MIX VS. JIFFY PEAT PELLETS (EXPERIMENT)

Post  Rick Seeger on 3/16/2014, 4:20 pm

Very interesting results!  I did a similar experiment using Burpee 'Super seed growing pellets' and vermiculite.  With my Salvia and Petunias it was a dead heat - all plants have germinated (in 4 1/2 days from planting with light and bottom heat).  My tomatoes also seem to prefer the pellets Sweet Baby Girl cherry, Seedless Hybrid, and Wisconsin 55.  So far no call as to what my peppers prefer - only one sprout at this point.  I think next year I will run the same side by side and maybe try Mel's Mix vs. pellets.  I also like the idea of the clear plastic cups for potting up transplants - much less expensive than plant pots!
   
avatar
Rick Seeger

Male Posts : 9
Join date : 2013-04-17
Age : 53
Location : Waunakee WI, zone 5a

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  donnainzone5 on 3/16/2014, 5:03 pm

I've tried peat pellets in the past.  In my experience, they don't degrade in the garden, leaving the roots [size=12.727272033691406]snarled up and reluctant to grow.  [/size]


On the other hand, starting seeds in vermiculite (even coarse) has been successful for me.  

See what works for you!
avatar
donnainzone5

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 2286
Join date : 2010-03-02
Age : 71
Location : Bend, OR (Zone 5-6)

View user profile http://www.amway.com/DonnaKBecker

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Marc Iverson on 3/16/2014, 7:41 pm

I had very poor results with Jiffy pellets last year. And I guess pretty much universally, the wrapping around the outside of the pellets did not biodegrade. Generally that didn't do good things for the root balls, keeping them small and the plant small too. Just today I dug up another pellet in the garden from last year. Still intact, the undegraded wrapping binding it thoroughly.
avatar
Marc Iverson

Male Posts : 3638
Join date : 2013-07-05
Age : 57
Location : SW Oregon

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  jimmy cee on 3/16/2014, 10:30 pm

Mel's Mix for me wins
I tried it with everything and it sure is a winner IMO
avatar
jimmy cee

Certified SFG Instructor

Male Posts : 2084
Join date : 2013-02-16
Age : 82
Location : Hatfield PA. zone 6b

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  camprn on 3/16/2014, 10:31 pm

Nice Jimmy!
 okay 

____________________________

43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
http://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

http://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



avatar
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14169
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 56
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

View user profile http://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Seed starting mix vs. Jiffy peat pellets (experiment)

Post  GloriaG on 3/16/2014, 11:38 pm

Hi landarch,

I use Jiffy Peat Pellets all the time because I've had really good results with them. 

To the cost of replacement pellets down, I shop eBay.  Last year, I splurged and bought 1,000 pellets for about $95 ($0.095 each).  But they're available in any volume you need.  Usually at a good price. 

FWIW, to prevent the roots from "circling" and avoid having non-biodegradable mesh in the garden, I remove the little covering before planting.  It's really easy to do, and if the pellets are handled carefully the peat stays together so the roots don't get disturbed at all.  (Much like planting soil blocks.)

Hope this helps,
Gloria

GloriaG

Female Posts : 435
Join date : 2010-03-15
Location : Double Oak, TX Zone 8a

View user profile http://www.laketrailstudio.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Marc Iverson on 3/16/2014, 11:42 pm

I'm glad you had better results than I did. When I tore off the binding prior to planting, it tended to tear off some roots while I was trying to preserve some others. When I left it on, it never went away. Maybe I'm just cursed with the things.
avatar
Marc Iverson

Male Posts : 3638
Join date : 2013-07-05
Age : 57
Location : SW Oregon

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Seed starting mix vs. Jiffy peat pellets (experiment)

Post  GloriaG on 3/17/2014, 2:44 am

Hi Marc,

Sorry to hear you've had so much trouble. 

FWIW: I pot-up into 3" peat pots of MM when the seedlings are fairly small.  To remove the mesh binding, I use a small pair of scissors to clip the mesh near roots that have worked their way through.  Haven't really had too much trouble with it.  Its a very quick job and the plants seem to handle the transplant well.  (BTW: I also purchase peat pots on Bay at under $0.10 each, so my total cost is very low per plant.)

I haven't tried transplanting the pellets directly into the garden, so I don't know if that would make a difference.

Good luck,
Gloria

GloriaG

Female Posts : 435
Join date : 2010-03-15
Location : Double Oak, TX Zone 8a

View user profile http://www.laketrailstudio.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  landarch on 3/18/2014, 10:48 am

My experience has been that the peat pellets are packed full of wonderful roots...and I transplant into 3" pots or plastic cups right when the roots reach the fabric.  If the moisture content is spot on, the pellet stays in tact while pulling off the fabric (I pull apart at the seam).

In addition, if I need to consolidate seedlings into a single tray, the pellets with seedlings can be easily moved around.
avatar
landarch

Posts : 1152
Join date : 2012-01-22
Location : kansas city

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Jenn-NOLA on 3/29/2018, 2:24 pm


Do these tomato plants look stunted from the roots being all balled up? Just remove the netting before planting, as instructed. I've had great results with the Jiffy Peat Pots. Nearly 100% germination on tomatoes at 70% on peppers (but the pepper germination suffered once I opened the top to let the tomatoes grow).


Last edited by Jenn-NOLA on 3/29/2018, 2:25 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Photo didn't upload)
avatar
Jenn-NOLA

Posts : 1
Join date : 2018-03-29
Location : South Louisiana

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  sanderson on 3/30/2018, 3:19 am

Jenn, They look good to me.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Fresno, CA
Click for weather forecast
avatar
sanderson

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 16929
Join date : 2013-04-21
Age : 69
Location : Fresno CA Zone 8-9

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  AtlantaMarie on 3/30/2018, 7:36 am

Hi Jenn-NOLA. Welcome from Atlanta, GA.

I agree with Sanderson - they look fine.

I have used peat pellets with good success. I just hate spending the $ on them when I have MM around. So I'm using MM in red solo cups at this point.
avatar
AtlantaMarie

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4785
Join date : 2014-03-18
Age : 55
Location : Buford, GA - Zones 7B/8A

View user profile http://www.defensivespecialties.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  countrynaturals on 3/30/2018, 11:09 am

I plant everything in Jiffy Pellets. Sometimes the plants outgrow them before time to plant outside, so I transplant them into peat pots. I hate transplanting, so I don't use plastic. I want to be able to plant the whole thing without digging out the plant. I don't mind finding old Jiffy Pellets in the dirt -- I reuse them -- cuts the expense by about 50%.  Cool
avatar
countrynaturals

Female Posts : 3615
Join date : 2016-04-12
Location : Redding, CA

View user profile http://countrynaturals.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  jim022659 on 5/7/2018, 8:07 pm

I'm getting away from those pellets this yaer. I always remove the netting because it seems to root bound them. this year I tried peat pots. yaaaa no. they dry out super wuick. gonna look into those soil blocks you make at home.
avatar
jim022659

Posts : 7
Join date : 2018-04-29
Location : cleveland ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Scorpio Rising on 5/7/2018, 9:27 pm

Peat pots here.  And if I start things in there, it is melons, squash, cukes.  They are expensive.

  I up-pot maters and peppers in re-useable plastin4 inch pots...just did that today.

Never used the pellets.
avatar
Scorpio Rising

Female Posts : 6390
Join date : 2015-06-12
Age : 56
Location : Ada, Ohio

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Turan on 5/7/2018, 9:35 pm

@jim022659 wrote:I'm getting away from those pellets this yaer. I always remove the netting because it seems to root bound them. this year I tried peat pots. yaaaa no. they dry out super wuick. gonna look into those soil blocks you make at home.
I prefer soil blocks.  Really you are making a jiffy pellet, but with nutrients in it, with no outer mesh.  Transplanting is easy, no root circling or binding or mesh.  But I still have some pellets around, I keep forgetting to use them up.

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Belgrade, MT
Click for weather forecast
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2562
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Kelejan on 5/8/2018, 7:42 am

@Turan wrote:
@jim022659 wrote:I'm getting away from those pellets this yaer. I always remove the netting because it seems to root bound them. this year I tried peat pots. yaaaa no. they dry out super wuick. gonna look into those soil blocks you make at home.
I prefer soil blocks.  Really you are making a jiffy pellet, but with nutrients in it, with no outer mesh.  Transplanting is easy, no root circling or binding or mesh.  But I still have some pellets around, I keep forgetting to use them up.

Turan, I have a couple of those soil block tools but I can never get my soil block to stay in one piece.  I tried making the mixture but I know there is something missing that I cannot seem to locate and I think it may be greensand.
avatar
Kelejan

Female Posts : 5342
Join date : 2011-04-24
Age : 83
Location : Castlegar, British Columbia

View user profile http://www.castlegarinkspot.ca

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Turan on 5/8/2018, 11:00 am

Kelejan, green sand is a fertilizer of trace minerals, as a sand it would make the soil blocks more likely to fall apart.  If the mix is not holding well, I add more peat.  Make sure the peat is fully hydrated before you start squeezing blocks.  Make sure the form is very full of mix and packed in tightly, I squish it with my hand to make sure.  What you want is that block to be compressed fairly tightly against the pan when you push the form off it.  You are basically making Jiffy pellets with out the mesh and not nearly as compressed as even a hydrated pellet is, so it is going to be more fragile. 
I press them out directly onto the pan and then seed them and put the pan on the heat pad.
Good luck 

____________________________

Find more about Weather in Belgrade, MT
Click for weather forecast
avatar
Turan

Female Posts : 2562
Join date : 2012-03-29
Location : Gallatin Valley, Montana, Intermountain zone 4

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Kelejan on 5/8/2018, 12:34 pm

Thank you, Turan.  I will give it another go. I know the two blockmakers are around somewhere.
avatar
Kelejan

Female Posts : 5342
Join date : 2011-04-24
Age : 83
Location : Castlegar, British Columbia

View user profile http://www.castlegarinkspot.ca

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  landarch on 5/11/2018, 12:52 pm

Green sand is an ingredient in the "official" soil block recipe...it's too expensive for my liking so I skip it.

This year I tried to save money and buy a cheaper peat pellet...100% fail...I let a tray of them soak overnight and they did not hydrate and expand...I had to "expand" them by hand...later, all seedlings died like there was something toxic in the pellet.

Anyway, had snow what seems like just a few weeks ago...and now 90 degree + heat with wind...sugar snap peas drooping a bit during the day.
avatar
landarch

Posts : 1152
Join date : 2012-01-22
Location : kansas city

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Nikko on 5/13/2018, 7:35 pm

Your seed starting medium that works best for you will maintain proper moisture. All seeds need is water to begin life. Temperature plays a big roll in the process. I used jiffy pellets this year and they worked well. Just follow the directions and you’ll sprout seeds. 

You can easily sprout seeds in paper towels too
avatar
Nikko

Posts : 26
Join date : 2018-03-30
Location : East Amherst NY zone6

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Seed Starting Mix vs. Jiffy Peat Pellets (experiment)

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum