Square Foot Gardening Forum
[table bgcolor=#000000 height=275][tr][td]
Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Toplef10Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall 1zd3ho10

Hello Guest!
Welcome to the official Square Foot Gardening Forum.
There's lots to learn here by reading as a guest. However, if you become a member (it's free, ad free and spam-free) you'll have access to our large vermiculite databases, our seed exchange spreadsheets, Mel's Mix calculator, and many more members' pictures in the Gallery. Enjoy.

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall I22gcj10Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall 14dhcg10

[/td][/tr][/table]
Square Foot Gardening Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 

 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» TD - A Journey Through Prostate Cancer
by AtlantaMarie Today at 7:16 am

» What Have You Picked From Your Garden Today
by markqz Yesterday at 10:57 pm

» Weed Killer Spray and my garden
by sanderson Yesterday at 10:13 pm

» How's the Weather Where You're At?
by RJARPCGP Yesterday at 6:44 pm

» New England, October, 2020
by RJARPCGP Yesterday at 6:40 pm

» Bokashi
by OhioGardener Yesterday at 6:08 pm

» Self Watering containers?
by OldCrow Yesterday at 1:38 pm

» N&C Midwest—October 2020
by nrstooge 10/20/2020, 8:19 pm

» Happy Birthday!!
by Scorpio Rising 10/20/2020, 7:50 pm

» Garden Veggie Plants Dying
by Scorpio Rising 10/20/2020, 7:43 pm

» Help with bush beans
by LilBittyBean 10/17/2020, 1:41 pm

» Hello!
by AtlantaMarie 10/16/2020, 6:42 am

» What are you eating from your garden today?
by kauairosina 10/15/2020, 7:57 pm

» my worms are gonna get hungry
by OhioGardener 10/15/2020, 12:49 pm

» Mark's first SFG
by markqz 10/15/2020, 12:11 pm

» 2020 SFG in Brooks, GA
by yolos 10/13/2020, 11:32 pm

» Fern leaf tomato?
by plantoid 10/13/2020, 4:28 pm

» Prior planning prevents poor plantings performance
by sanderson 10/12/2020, 2:08 am

» Tomato Pie
by sanderson 10/12/2020, 2:03 am

» Seed Exchange: Looking for Greek Sweet Red Squash
by sanderson 10/12/2020, 1:47 am

» OhioGardener SFG
by OhioGardener 10/10/2020, 6:27 pm

» Your first frost date ...had it yet?
by plantoid 10/10/2020, 8:23 am

» California - What are you doing this month?
by Yardslave 10/9/2020, 2:58 pm

» What new seeds are you saving this year?
by llama momma 10/8/2020, 5:23 pm

» Squirrels again
by OhioGardener 10/7/2020, 7:50 pm

» Fire Season
by Scorpio Rising 10/4/2020, 8:24 pm

» Hello from your Mid-South Host
by sanderson 10/2/2020, 12:19 am

» Hi all!
by sanderson 10/1/2020, 11:42 pm

» Tacos
by Scorpio Rising 10/1/2020, 11:05 pm

» October Avatar: Fall Gardening
by OhioGardener 10/1/2020, 10:02 am

Google

Search SFG Forum

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  daryl.weaver on 1/16/2012, 4:29 pm

I have a small problem, or maybe I should say "SMALL problem." The only suitable (not visible from the street, adequate sun, etc...) place I have for SFGs is along narrow, southern-exposed side of my house. So, here's my solution. See attached. Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Sfg_de13 The beds (I will have 2 side-by-side with a 3rd on the shady side of the fence in teh back yard that I hope will work for summer) are constructed of 2'x8' boards (which I have already assembled and lined the bottoms with weed cloth and hardware cloth.) The removable covers will be framed with 2x2's and covered with chicken wire. Any thoughts or suggestions? I made the backs tall to allow for climbing vines which I will trellis using nylon net secured to the side of the house. I saw a post from someone about removing the chicken wire to allow for adequate pollenation.
daryl.weaver
daryl.weaver

Male Posts : 104
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 58
Location : Madison, MS (zone 8a)

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  daryl.weaver on 1/16/2012, 4:31 pm

Sorry....finally figured out how to post the picture. I are smart that way Rolling Eyes
daryl.weaver
daryl.weaver

Male Posts : 104
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 58
Location : Madison, MS (zone 8a)

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  EatYourVeggies on 1/16/2012, 4:52 pm

Very nice illustration Daryl and sounds like a great plan as well. I have a couple of questions.

The first one is; Bee’s (assuming any are left this year) are able to pass through chicken wire, so why would you need to remove it for pollination?

And second (reference your illustration) What do you think of leaving the back off and only going with the front and two sides? My thought is, trying to lift it over your trellis (if you add the back) will become a drag in no time, and/or what ever you plant on the wall mounted trellis, could potentially grow into the chicken wire you have on the back, damaging the plant when its removed or crushing it as it leans against the house/trellis.
EatYourVeggies
EatYourVeggies

Male Posts : 155
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 59
Location : Vancouver WA Zone 8a

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  camprn on 1/16/2012, 5:06 pm

I would suggest leaving at least 2' of space between the wall and your bed. You will need access the that area if you are growing high climbing things such as pole beans. My Kentuckey Wonders grew over 14' Shocked

The removable covers mentioned are usually small enough mesh to keep most egg laying insect out, usually made from a non woven material or or a netting material like tulle (pronounced tool)... when the plant blooms is when you will need to remove the cover to allow the pollinators to the blooms.
Often used in bridal dresses, this is tulle:
Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Visor%20veil%20with%20side%20pouf%20-%20%20face%20veil-%20tulle-%20-%20comb%20closeup

____________________________

43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall WxBanner?bannertype=wu_clean2day_cond&airportcode=KEEN&ForcedCity=Keene&ForcedState=NH&zipcode=03431&language=EN
camprn
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14169
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 58
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  daryl.weaver on 1/16/2012, 5:24 pm

@EatYourVeggies wrote:What do you think of leaving the back off and only going with the front and two sides?
Brilliant! I can actually make the cover a few inches deeper than the bed so it overhangs the back a few inches, and I can also enclose my net trellis as well. I'll have to design it such that the wire attaches to the house to keep varmints from entering from the back, but that should be easy. Thanks.
daryl.weaver
daryl.weaver

Male Posts : 104
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 58
Location : Madison, MS (zone 8a)

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  daryl.weaver on 1/16/2012, 5:39 pm

@camprn wrote:I would suggest leaving at least 2' of space between the wall and your bed. You will need access the that area if you are growing high climbing things such as pole beans. My Kentuckey Wonders grew over 14' Shocked

The removable covers mentioned are usually small enough mesh to keep most egg laying insect out, usually made from a non woven material or or a netting material like tulle (pronounced tool)... when the plant blooms is when you will need to remove the cover to allow the pollinators to the blooms.
Often used in bridal dresses, this is tulle:

Interesting. In Mel's book he shows a chicken wire cage to keep out rabbits, etc. Later he discusses bird netting. First I've seen of insect netting, but an excellent idea. I'm thinking I can redesign to use chicken wire on the bottom foot then use bird netting on the top. As for insects, it's probably hopeless here in the south without some form of pesticide, but I could overlay the whole apparatus with fine mesh fabric to give it a try at least. (I'm not opposed to 7 Dust, as my grand parents used it and none of us grew a 3rd arm.) As for the distance from the house, no can do. That's my whole problem. This a pretty narrow walkway. Thus the limit of 2' depth on the beds. The whole area in only about 7' wide and I still have to get my mower through there to the back yard. Thanks for the suggestions.
daryl.weaver
daryl.weaver

Male Posts : 104
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 58
Location : Madison, MS (zone 8a)

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  Chopper on 1/17/2012, 12:14 am

@daryl.weaver wrote:I'm thinking I can redesign to use chicken wire on the bottom foot then use bird netting on the top. Thanks for the suggestions.

That makes more sense also because the bird netting can be easily lifted and will be much less hassle than the chicken wire.

I may have missed it, but what are your issues? Just rabbits? I had a backyard full of birds including crown and had no real issues with the garden being hurt by them.
avatar
Chopper

Female Posts : 2467
Join date : 2010-05-05
Age : 65
Location : Warner Springs, CA USDA Zone 8a, Sunset Zone 7 (I think)

http://thezimmermannfamilytoo.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  daryl.weaver on 1/17/2012, 12:46 am

@Chopper wrote:what are your issues? Just rabbits? I had a backyard full of birds including crown and had no real issues with the garden being hurt by them.

I'm new so just planning ahead. We do have lots of squirrels and rabbits...even a few deer. I may be over thinking it.
daryl.weaver
daryl.weaver

Male Posts : 104
Join date : 2012-01-10
Age : 58
Location : Madison, MS (zone 8a)

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  Furbalsmom on 1/17/2012, 1:02 am

daryl.weaver,

It sounds like the chicken wire lower section and bird/deer netting for the top area will keep the squirrels and deer out.

I used the tulle over my Table Top because we have a severe problem with cabbage worms. This particular table top was filled with crops that did not need pollination, such as broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, lettuce, carrots and beets. You can see where I left the tulle off of the sugar snap peas so they could be pollinated.

However, at the community garden we just covered the garden with tulle until plants needed to be pollinated, then removed the cover. It did give our plants a good start growing when they were not attacked by any insects.

We also have lots of deer and they did not damage any veggies in my tulle covered bed, even though these crops were right in their faces. On other table tops I used deer/bird netting and again had no loss to deer.

I do not have to deal with squirrels here.

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Covere11
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 73
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  camprn on 1/17/2012, 6:53 am

Furbal, what a lovely little garden! What a Face

____________________________

43 years a gardener and going strong with SFG.
https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-weeks-until-frost

There are certain pursuits which, if not wholly poetic and true, do at least suggest a nobler and finer relation to nature than we know. The keeping of bees, for instance. ~ Henry David Thoreau

https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t1306-other-gardening-books



Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall WxBanner?bannertype=wu_clean2day_cond&airportcode=KEEN&ForcedCity=Keene&ForcedState=NH&zipcode=03431&language=EN
camprn
camprn

Forum Moderator Certified SFG Teacher

Female Posts : 14169
Join date : 2010-03-06
Age : 58
Location : Keene, NH, USA ~ Zone 5a

https://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t3574-the-end-of-july-7-week

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  janezee on 1/17/2012, 2:30 pm

Peas are self-pollinated. I have to keep mine covered from the deer.
janezee
janezee

Female Posts : 242
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 113
Location : Away

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  Furbalsmom on 1/17/2012, 10:58 pm

@janezee wrote:Peas are self-pollinated. I have to keep mine covered from the deer.



Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed I did not know that.

For some reason the deer never bothered them.



Camprn, thanks for the compliment.
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 73
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  janezee on 1/18/2012, 12:52 am

Sorry, I didn't mean to embarrass you!

I didn't know until last summer, either.
They can be pollinated better by bees, like tomatoes, which are also self-pollinating. (They just need wind or aggravation)

I've been busy learning about the birds and the bees this year......... Shocked
janezee
janezee

Female Posts : 242
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 113
Location : Away

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  Furbalsmom on 1/18/2012, 1:26 am

You didn't really embarrass me. I guess I never really looked at the cultural information.

I should start " learning about the birds and the bees this year"......... Shocked

If they just need wind for pollination, then I am set. Wind is what we get all the time.



We are expecting 45-60 MPH winds tomorrow with hurricane strength gusts of 75 to 100mph. I think I will stay inside.
Furbalsmom
Furbalsmom

Female Posts : 3141
Join date : 2010-06-10
Age : 73
Location : Coastal Oregon, Zone 9a, Heat Zone 2 :(

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  walshevak on 1/18/2012, 8:40 am

I think that would be a good rookie topic. What needs bees, what does better with bees and what doesn't need bees. If I had a list it would certainly help me plan which beds can be kept wrapped up in bug netting and which ones will have to be left open.



Kay

____________________________

A WEED IS A FLOWER GROWING IN THE WRONG PLACE
Elizabeth City, NC
Find more about Weather in Elizabeth City, NC
Click for weather forecast
walshevak
walshevak

Certified SFG Instructor

Female Posts : 4371
Join date : 2010-10-17
Age : 77
Location : wilmington, nc zone 8

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  RoOsTeR on 1/18/2012, 9:17 am

@Furbalsmom wrote:daryl.weaver,

It sounds like the chicken wire lower section and bird/deer netting for the top area will keep the squirrels and deer out.

I used the tulle over my Table Top because we have a severe problem with cabbage worms. This particular table top was filled with crops that did not need pollination, such as broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, lettuce, carrots and beets. You can see where I left the tulle off of the sugar snap peas so they could be pollinated.

However, at the community garden we just covered the garden with tulle until plants needed to be pollinated, then removed the cover. It did give our plants a good start growing when they were not attacked by any insects.

We also have lots of deer and they did not damage any veggies in my tulle covered bed, even though these crops were right in their faces. On other table tops I used deer/bird netting and again had no loss to deer.

I do not have to deal with squirrels here.

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Covere11

Wow, that looks great Furbalsmom cheers

____________________________

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Logo-111
I am my gardens worst enemy.
RoOsTeR
RoOsTeR

Male Posts : 4316
Join date : 2011-10-04
Location : Colorado Front Range

Back to top Go down

Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall Empty Re: Design Plan for Small Bed Against a Wall

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum