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Post  stevenfstein 12/6/2020, 2:42 pm

Good afternoon. My first year coming up with SFG and I have a question of succession planting. Might try some seeds, never done that before, but I usually buy already started vegetable plants in those small black plastic containers. My problem is that planting say 16 or something all ripen at the same time. Would like to plant some than a week or so later plant some more and so on. Problem is that when you go back to the nursery to buy more plants they are out of stock. Is there a way of buying all of the vegetables at one time and only transplanting x amount of them each week? How long can you keep the remaining plants in the containers and how would I care for them.

Much appreciated..... Steve
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Post  AtlantaMarie 12/7/2020, 6:43 am

Yeah... That's the problem with plants from the store. They're all started together so they can be sold together. Which means even if you're not transplanting them at the same time, they're still maturing at the same time. Doesn't matter if they're in the pot from the store or your garden....

Succession gardening is successful if you're starting SEEDS a couple of weeks later. Or, as you've found, going back to the store to see if you can get more plants. But the question is still there on what date were they planted vs. your plants already in the ground.

An option would be to start seeds when you purchase/transplant plants from the store. You're going to be about a month or so behind the plants you purchase, but it would give you the succession plantings.

Sorry. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear.... And I'm sure others will chime in with other advice as well.
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Post  stevenfstein 12/7/2020, 10:12 am

AtlantaMarie wrote:Yeah...  That's the problem with plants from the store.  They're all started together so they can be sold together.  Which means even if you're not transplanting them at the same time, they're still maturing at the same time.  Doesn't matter if they're in the pot from the store or your garden....

Succession gardening is successful if you're starting SEEDS a couple of weeks later.  Or, as you've found, going back to the store to see if you can get more plants.  But the question is still there on what date were they planted vs. your plants already in the ground.

An option would be to start seeds when you purchase/transplant plants from the store.  You're going to be about a month or so behind the plants you purchase, but it would give you the succession plantings.

Sorry.  I'm sure that's not what you want to hear....  And I'm sure others will chime in with other advice as well.

Makes perfect sense and I appreciate the feedback. Guess I'll try a few seeds this year and see how they go. I know there are a ton of seed companies out there, top two or three to order from?
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Post  markqz 12/7/2020, 12:35 pm

stevenfstein wrote:Good afternoon. My first year coming up with SFG and I have a question of succession planting. Might try some seeds, never done that before, but I usually buy already started vegetable plants in those small black plastic containers. My problem is that planting say 16 or something all ripen at the same time. Would like to plant some than a week or so later plant some more and so on. Problem is that when you go back to the nursery to buy more plants they are out of stock. Is there a way of buying all of the vegetables at one time and only transplanting x amount of them each week? How long can you keep the remaining plants in the containers and how would I care for them.

Much appreciated..... Steve

My experience with plants I've started in my own pots is that they suppress their growing until they are transplanted. A video I saw (think it was PBS) explained that plants' brains (to the extent they have any) are in their roots. Their roots seem to be able to detect the edges of the container, and restrict their growth accordingly. You couldn't keep plants in pots indefinitely, but I suspect that you could easily delay planting by a week (keep watering them in the meanwhile.)
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Post  AtlantaMarie 12/8/2020, 6:04 am

I personally like Baker Creek. Southern Seed Exchange is another good one. Johnny's....

Anyone else have a favorite?
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Post  OhioGardener 12/8/2020, 7:35 am

markqz wrote: A video I saw (think it was PBS) explained that plants' brains (to the extent they have any) are in their roots. Their roots seem to be able to detect the edges of the container, and restrict their growth accordingly. You couldn't keep plants in pots indefinitely, but I suspect that you could easily delay planting by a week (keep watering them in the meanwhile.)

Mark, it is not so much the "brain" of the plant that tells it to quit growing as it the fact that the plant becomes root bound and stops growing as a self-defense mechanism. I have found, though, that plants which become root bound remain stunted for a long time after they are transplanted.  I don't buy nursery plants, but grow all of my own from seed. So, I could easily start seedlings on staggered dates to provide succession planting. None of the plants I transplant need succession planting, though, so that is not an issue with me. I do succession planting with direct-sow seeds such as lettuce, radish, beans, etc., though.

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Post  stevenfstein 12/8/2020, 10:20 am

For those of you who start your seeds indoors, what method are you using. Was looking at Park's original bio dome see-starting system. Seemed self contained and easy. Neat and tidy are the buzzwords from  my wife. Would probably also need a gro light. Suggestions?

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Post  markqz 12/8/2020, 12:18 pm

OhioGardener wrote: I do succession planting with direct-sow seeds such as lettuce, radish, beans, etc., though.

I pretty much have to use starting pots, or at least get a head start in vermiculite starter. The bugs never get frozen off here, and will gobble up most things before they're even an inch high. Once the plants get bigger, they stand a chance of surviving. I also like Mel's way of saving seeds by starting plants separately, to minimize seed use. The remaining seeds go back in the fridge.

Plants kept in the pots too long do get stunted. But there's a fairly long time before that happens if you use a 3" pot. I was using 1" inch pots (because they're cheaper!) but found it was counter-productive. One inch pots dry out really easily. Now I'm trying 3" pots, and growing 2 plants in one pot, which gets split at transplant time. This seems to work with Kohlrabi.
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Post  OhioGardener 12/8/2020, 3:02 pm

stevenfstein wrote:For those of you who start your seeds indoors, what method are you using. Was looking at Park's original bio dome see-starting system. Seemed self contained and easy. Neat and tidy are the buzzwords from  my wife. Would probably also need a gro light. Suggestions?

Thanks... Steve

Hi, Steve!  I start the seeds in my homemade seed starter mix (compost, vermiculite, and worm castings) in Cow Pots. I like the Cow Pots for several reasons - they are fully compotable in the soil after transplanting; they allow roots to grow through the pot if the plant gets too big; and, the decomposing pot feeds the plant after it is transplanted. (You can check out Cow Pots Here: https://www.freundsfarmmarket.com/store/

I use the heavy duty seed starting trays and clear dome covers that I purchase on-line from  Bootstrap Farmer. They are a little more expensive than what you will find in the big box stores, but they are very durable and last for many, many years and if they do crack or leak, the company will replace them.

I grow the seedlings on a rack I made that holds LED grow lights and has heat mats on the shelves under the trays if needed.  I have the lights set up on a timer for 16 hours a day.  Here is my shelf setup.

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Post  stevenfstein 12/8/2020, 3:46 pm

wow, that is an amazing setup. Definitely not ready for that yet very impressive. Hoping I will be able to do a scaled down version to start. 

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Post  yolos 12/8/2020, 9:14 pm

stevenfstein wrote:For those of you who start your seeds indoors, what method are you using. Was looking at Park's original bio dome see-starting system. Seemed self contained and easy. Neat and tidy are the buzzwords from  my wife. Would probably also need a gro light. Suggestions?

Thanks... Steve
When I first started growing from seeds, I did use the Park's bio dome seed starting system.  But after I did it a year or two.  It some times gets complicated when you grow more than 1 type of vegetable in a tray.  Usually the veggies do not all grow at the same rate and you may need to take some off heat mat earlier than others or raise the lights over plants that are growing at different rates.  I switched to 2 or 3 inch small plastic single pots and put the pots in hard plastic trays from Bootstrap Farmer (see Ohio Gardener post).  I also use the 9 or 6 or 4 cell trays that small starter plants come in from nursery.  I fill these with seed starter mix (I like burpee seed starting mix but have also used Jiffy.)
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Post  deansdad1 12/13/2020, 9:05 pm

stevenfstein wrote:Good afternoon. My first year coming up with SFG and I have a question of succession planting. Might try some seeds, never done that before, but I usually buy already started vegetable plants in those small black plastic containers. My problem is that planting say 16 or something all ripen at the same time. Would like to plant some than a week or so later plant some more and so on. Problem is that when you go back to the nursery to buy more plants they are out of stock. Is there a way of buying all of the vegetables at one time and only transplanting x amount of them each week? How long can you keep the remaining plants in the containers and how would I care for them.

Much appreciated..... Steve
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We have done the seed starter indoor thing a number of times over the years using rack and tray method described above. Works fine and you can start small (couple of trays, one relatively cheap LED 5k tube light and either a cheap rack system and timer) Lots of good info both here and on YT.
This year for the first time we tried hydroponics and fell in love with the simplicity, and especially the cost involved and also the various methods and alternative ways to incorporate it.
Be it starting by germinating seeds on paper towels and then transplanting to soil/trays or going start to finish soil less.
Again YT is your friend here - literally 1000's of videos will get you started
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