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Post  wegrow 6/23/2015, 1:54 pm

Hello!

I am interested in constructing a squash arch, 18" wide, with pvc pipe and rungs made of same. Not a math wiz and can't seem to find out how long the two pieces of pvc needed will be to create a 6 foot tall peak.  Planning on having it cut in segments to attach intermittent cross pieces of pvc on which the squash will climb.

Can anyone help with this?

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Post  sanderson 6/23/2015, 2:14 pm

Wegrow,  Welcome to the Forum from California!  glad you\'re here

Interesting question.  I think it would be easier to use EMC or wood with nylon trellis attached with zip ties, or else an arch of cattle metal fencing.  There are a lot of trellis ideas on this site.  Use the search box for some neat ideas.  Of course, this is everyone's dream arch: Squash Arch Trelli10

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Post  wegrow 6/23/2015, 2:30 pm

Thanks for replying Sanderson.  What is EMC?  Am disabled and find it easy to use pvc like tinker toys with fittings.  Just having a brain freeze about length of pipe needed to make a 6' peak.  Perhaps just making four 4' uprights then arching 2 10 foot lengths over them will produce the desired height. Not sure since I'll have to have it all cut to attach the side pieces.  Wanted to do it this way in order to be able to take it apart at the end of season and have available for next year.  It's in my head, just putting on paper isn't coming out as imagined.  Sigh!

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Post  sanderson 6/23/2015, 2:48 pm

Electrical Metal Conduit.  Here are 2 EMC trellises.  Takes four 1/2" 10' poles, cut to 8 feet.  Using 2 of the cut off pieces, attach at the top bar with EM 90* fittings with set screw.  Home Depot 10' 1/2" poles are $2.30 each and the fittings are $4.62 each.  Trellis netting prices vary.  I "put them away" for winter by pushing the netting to the tops, bundling all the trellises together and covering with black garbage bags.  Squash Arch West_s10

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Post  wegrow 6/23/2015, 3:41 pm

Wow, learn something new every day! That looks much easier than what I had in mind.  In the photo they have a stable cross piece to support them.  Without that do you think they would be able to lean on each other safely?  Thank you!
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Post  sanderson 6/23/2015, 4:12 pm

Yes, if I understand your question correctly. "they have a stable cross piece" being the wood rails. Strap the horizontal top bars together and depress the feet into the ground. Another option for the feet is to buy 3/8" rebar in 1 or 2 foot lengths to pound into the ground at angles and slip the EMC over them.

The single trellis in the background? It goes straight up now so I strap it to the overhead wood rail.

Please Search 'trellis' and 'arch' in the search box. Have you read All New Square Foot Gardening by Mel Bartholomew? His book(s) is the backbone for most of our gardens on this Forum. There are so many ways to build things for a Square Foot Garden.

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Post  wegrow 6/23/2015, 5:57 pm

Thanks so much for all the suggestions.  I have more ideas now to consider and won't be making it more difficult than it is.  No have not read it but will be buying a copy. 
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Post  sanderson 6/24/2015, 3:00 am

Feel free to ask questions. I spent a lot of time looking at the Topics before and when I first joined the forum. So, so much info that sometimes it's hard to find, like not seeing the forest because of the trees. Very Happy

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Post  wegrow 6/24/2015, 9:02 am

Thanks Sanderson, I surely will.  I've got MS and have not been able to garden on my own except in pots for quite a few years.  My daughter has moved back to help now we are gardening together in raised beds and I am getting to try things I've only thought about for a very long time, especially organic and without pesticides.  Looking all over Google is time consuming and not always what I'm looking for.  I appreciate having your forum to help.   Very Happy
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Post  walshevak 6/24/2015, 9:52 am

Is there a a Tractor Supply store anywhere near you?  The absolute easiest arch is the cattle panel arch.  Four T posts in the ground and attach the cattle panel with zip ties. 
 
Here is one when I built a new rose garden.  The white climbing rose is now over the top.  I also use these for my tomatoes and cukes.  
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It it may be a bit wide for your purposes as it is 5 ft wide, but it sure is super easy to install.

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Post  AtlantaMarie 6/24/2015, 10:44 am

Hi Wegrow.  Welcome from Atlanta, GA.  Glad you've joined us!

I would also encourage you to look at Table Tops (TT's) so that you don't have to bend over so much.  That would be great for  your shorter crops like carrots, beets, herbs, etc.  If you're interested, just do a search for TT's or table tops.  You'll see all SORTS of great ideas!
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Post  wegrow 6/24/2015, 1:20 pm

Thanks walshevac and AtlantaMarie,

I do have a Tractor Supply nearby and that looks easiest of all!  They only sell heavy gauge fencing in no less than 100 foot rolls so it will have to be budgeted in.  That seems to be the easiest so far and is something to plan for!

I have two raised beds.  One just above ground and another which is table top style which was built for me at the end of May and has been slow to get growing, only beets, basil, and marigolds so far.  Just replanted for late summer harvest.
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Post  boffer 6/24/2015, 1:52 pm

Hi wegrow, heavy fencing will work, and may be a good option for many trellises.  But for one or two trellises, consider 'cattle panels' that walshevak mentioned above.  TSC and other farm stores have them.  Less upfront costs that way.

Another option is 6x6 inch concrete re-inforcing wire.  Big box stores have them in smaller sizes, and concrete suppy stores have them in 8x20 foot panels that you can cut to size for your needs.
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Post  Kelejan 6/24/2015, 2:06 pm

glad you\'re here wegrow happy hi 
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Glad you are able to get back to doing some gardening and as you have already found, you get a lot of help from this group. cutesie
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Post  Cajun Cappy 6/24/2015, 2:20 pm

To me the easy cheap country boy way is go to lowes and look in the concrete section ya can get rebar for cheap in many sizes and lengths.  They are sturdy and easy to push into the ground,  Right where they are ya can get 4 ft wide wire sections. ya can use zip ties to put them up but ya have to replace them yearly cause they get brittle and degrade.  Use stainless tie wire old coat hangers old scraps of copper wire as examples stuff ya have lying around to tie them up and it will last much longer.  I have a 6 ft trellis for cucs that has been there over 10 years and 3 hurricanes still going strong for less than 20$  I aint grown squash on them yet but wouldn't be afeared to.  Our squash seem to grow them selves and try to take over the yard. 

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Post  southern gardener 6/24/2015, 2:22 pm

Here is our trellis. It's made from concrete reinforcement wire like Boffer said. It's 7' tall. We bought two for $7 each. You could use t posts as recommended above for the side supports. We used rebar pounded into the soil, then elec. conduit over the rebar, and attached the concrete wire to the conduit. Was easy to build, and held a couple hundred pounds of squash last summer!!  Good luck!!  sorry it's sideways. Something's wrong with the forum picture thingy. Sometimes they're sideways, sometimes not!! lol

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Post  boffer 6/24/2015, 2:57 pm

@Cajun Cappy wrote:... ya can use zip ties to put them up but ya have to replace them yearly cause they get brittle and degrade...

Black zip ties are UV stabilized and will outlast the white ones by a country mile, at least in my climate.
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Post  southern gardener 6/24/2015, 4:20 pm

@southern gardener wrote:Here is our trellis. It's made from concrete reinforcement wire like Boffer said. It's 7' tall. We bought two for $7 each. You could use t posts as recommended above for the side supports. We used rebar pounded into the soil, then elec. conduit over the rebar, and attached the concrete wire to the conduit. Was easy to build, and held a couple hundred pounds of squash last summer!!  Good luck!!  sorry it's sideways. Something's wrong with the forum picture thingy. Sometimes they're sideways, sometimes not!! lol

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Thank you for the rotate Boffer!! I rotated them on my computer, and they still come up sideways!!! haha!
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Post  walshevak 6/24/2015, 4:40 pm

Cattle panels at Tractor Supply are about $20 each.  The size you see in the picture is the entire panel.  About 16 ft x 50 in.  also known as feedlot panels.  Be sure to get the bags of metal clips that come with it.  I used the clips when I had somebody to help me and zip ties when it was just me.

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Post  wegrow 6/24/2015, 11:29 pm

Thanks everyone for all the great ideas!

Wow Cajun Cappy that is some good looking squash!

Southern Gardener, the picture came in right side up.  Great looking arches, great ideas! 

Kay, a friend said they might be known as hog panels here, I'll check.  I appreciate all the price range input. I'm sure I'll be doing whatever is easiest at this point.  It's been in the upper 90's here and I can't tolerate that kind of heat....!

Good tip on the zip ties Boffer, soaking it all in  I was thinking about using rebar instead of fence posts when I was still planning on sliding the pvc over it.  Have to rethink the whole thing now.

Thanks Kelejan, I'm glad to be back gardening again and helping my daughter learn what I do know as well as learning more myself! 

Hope I didn't forget anyone! Have a good night..... happy hi
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Post  Mikesgardn 6/25/2015, 8:22 pm

@boffer wrote:
@Cajun Cappy wrote:... ya can use zip ties to put them up but ya have to replace them yearly cause they get brittle and degrade...

Black zip ties are UV stabilized and will outlast the white ones by a country mile, at least in my climate.
 I have found that 14 gage solid copper wiring (not stranded) is the best tie for attaching trellis to posts.  I cut it to length and use it like a twist tie.  It doesn't rust and it doesn't fatigue from use.     You can get rolls of it at the big box hardware stores.
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Post  Cajun Cappy 6/26/2015, 10:35 am

I recently scored a long piece of solid strand rubber coated coper wire from the cable guy.  He was installing cable tv at the neighbors and the cable came with this strand on it.  He used the wire to tie the cable to a anchor bolt on the house then stripped off all the wire to run the cable along the house.  he had over 50 ft of this stuff he balled up and was throwing in the back of his truck.  When I inquired he said he was just gonna throw it in a recycle bin when he got back to his company shop.  For a couple big ripe ruby grapefruit I got the wire.  I haven't used much of it yet but plan to when I build another box.
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Post  wegrow 6/26/2015, 4:46 pm

Thanks Kay!  I checked with my local Tractor Supply store and they do have both hog and cattle panels.  Just need to get someone with a truck to pick one up for me.

Thanks Cappy and Mike, I use copper wire in jewelry, not sure if it's the right gauge for fastening but worth a shot! 

I appreciate all the input!
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Post  Cajun Cappy 6/26/2015, 4:52 pm

I still say ya will be cheaper at a big box hardware like Lowes 9ft 1/2inch rebar is only 5 bucks and in the same area is cheap expanded wire.
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