COMPOST 101

so being my first time ever composting I am learning as I go. to get started I filled my compost tumbler with some compost I had left over when I made my mels mix. to this I add all my vegtable and fruit left overs and turning every other day. I know this my sound silly but I love the smell of compost. With all the boxes filled with mels mix and all the mulch I have in the back yard, it just smells so earthly and I catch myself just walking around the beds looking to see if anything new is comming up. Didn't know composting could be so fun

It does smell fantastic, doesn't it? Don't forget your eggshells and coffee grounds!

I wonder model a man (I know this is from another thread, but if I go looking by the time I find it, I'll forget what I found it for) did you perhaps file your gardening notes in your new composter?

stoped at the tractor supply store yesterday they hadda composter in there sat low to the ground hada screw on lid rolled on wheel's jussssssssssssssssss 119.95 an they wonder why we did any thing we can ta make our own :scratch:

last night I went to a compost class. according to the teacher she stated that if I didnt have my compost bin setting directly on dirt that I would not get the benefit of what she called FBI (fungal, bacteria and insects) that what ever I put into my compost tumbler (the one I made) it will take a very long time to decompose and wont be as good. anyone have any sucess with the tumbler type compost bins. I am going to take another class (there free) with another instructer to see what answers I get. another thing she stated is that I should not have mulch up against the plants and trees I have in my yard as it can cause fungis and disease. that I should leave about a foot around my plants clear ( am talking about my rose bushes, flowering plants and fruit trees etc.) another thing she stated is that you should never put in any plant matter that has disease, (the example she gave was rose bushes) and if you use horse manure to make sure that the horses have not been recently dewormed. anyone have input on any of this. was I given good info or?
thanks

Yes, you were given good info. The only thing I would take issue with is about the mulching; I am not in your area, so It may be perfectly sound advice for your garden.
I'm glad you liked the class and will be attending another! HOORAY FOR COMPOST!

model a man wrote:last night I went to a compost class. according to the teacher she stated that if I didnt have my compost bin setting directly on dirt that I would not get the benefit of what she called FBI (fungal, bacteria and insects) that what ever I put into my compost tumbler (the one I made) it will take a very long time to decompose and wont be as good. anyone have any sucess with the tumbler type compost bins. I am going to take another class (there free) with another instructer to see what answers I get. another thing she stated is that I should not have mulch up against the plants and trees I have in my yard as it can cause fungis and disease. that I should leave about a foot around my plants clear ( am talking about my rose bushes, flowering plants and fruit trees etc.) another thing she stated is that you should never put in any plant matter that has disease, (the example she gave was rose bushes) and if you use horse manure to make sure that the horses have not been recently dewormed. anyone have input on any of this. was I given good info or?
thanks

Model A Man, I got basically the same composting information from the class I took this past Saturday, given by Oregon State University Master Gardeners. She did state if you were using a compost tumbler, you would need to add compost activator which usually includes some of those beneficial microorganisms (no insects, but bacteria,fungi, and actinomycetes) She also provided the same information regarding the horse manure.

We did not discuss mulching at this class.

I have 2 compost tumblers of different styles (1 is a horizontal and 1 an end for end tumbler) and run 3 wire bins (but 1 is brand new, scored a freebie from the county for going to a composting class - WOOT). The tumblers haven't impressed me at all. They will make compost, but it's far slower than the hype plus the feel and look of the compost is not nearly as nice as the regular heaps. I end up with balls of sticky stuff, twigs are not as soft and rotted as the heaps, and it just doesn't have that nice, crumbly, earthy feel (or smell for that matter) no matter how long I leave it.

Now, I haven't had any tests run on the different batches, haven't done any grow comparisons, etc, so they may be equivalent for growing, but I suspect not. I usually use the tumbler compost on my flower beds and the heap compost in the veggie beds, seedlings, potted plants, etc.

Cornell Composting <~~Click here
A great site!

Requirements to make compost:
Moisture
Carbon
Nitrogen
oxygen
microbes

I just don't get why they tell you to layer stuff in your compost bin and then mix it up by turning it! Doesn't that defeat the purpose?!!!

Intuitively one would think so, but I believe that main purpose for turning is to oxygenate the pile. Remember, O2 is one of the requirements for the process.

cabinfever wrote:I just don't get why they tell you to layer stuff in your compost bin and then mix it up by turning it! Doesn't that defeat the purpose?!!!

You need air in for it to heat up. The layers are so that there isn't too much of one thing which might settle down and squash the air out. After a bit the middle heats up but the outer edges stay cooler, so the turning is to move the outer edge into the middle and let fresh air in so that the new middle heats up. Ok?

cabinfever wrote:I just don't get why they tell you to layer stuff in your compost bin and then mix it up by turning it! Doesn't that defeat the purpose?!!!

I like how you think. I understand why, but I don't layer anything. It goes into the pile in the order it comes out of my house/garden/etc. I turn my pile often enough it gets mixed.

I wonder if the "layers" aren't just in case people don't turn their piles often enough.......sort of mixing by default. My grandfather never turned his pile.....layers worked well for him.

If you are using a tumbler, you should add some _finished_ compost also. This will have some beneficial microbes from the last batch, and will help to break it down.

BackyardBirdGardner wrote:

cabinfever wrote:I just don't get why they tell you to layer stuff in your compost bin and then mix it up by turning it! Doesn't that defeat the purpose?!!!

I like how you think. I understand why, but I don't layer anything. It goes into the pile in the order it comes out of my house/garden/etc. I turn my pile often enough it gets mixed.

I wonder if the "layers" aren't just in case people don't turn their piles often enough.......sort of mixing by default. My grandfather never turned his pile.....layers worked well for him.

You can just leave the layers alone - called sheet composting. Remember, stuff composts just fine in nature without any turning - it just takes longer. Turning aerates the pile and will make it work faster, but it is not necessary.

I opened my compost bin to add to it and tons of tiny little flying bugs came flying out. Is this normal?

Yes. Probably fruit flies from the decaying kitchen scraps. I find I have less trouble with that when I dig a hole in the pile and bury the fresh scraps.

Gwynn

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I purchased a pick-up load of compost at the county composting site. $10 for a load. It is mixed blended, processed for months before it is sold. What are some opinions?:?:

Welcome to the forum. $10 is a good price for a yard of anything these days.

model a man wrote:last night I went to a compost class.
according to the teacher - she stated that if I didnt have my compost bin
setting directly on dirt that I would not get the benefit of what she called FBI (fungal, bacteria and insects)
that what ever I put into my compost tumbler (the one I made) it will take a very long time to decompose and wont be as good.
I am going to take another class (there free) with another instructer to see what answers I get. - was I given good info or?
thanks

Since being told here, that I's 'blinded', maybe ignore everything I say.
But, my grandpa (a man whose *garden* could rival the Original Eden's), taught me everything to know about compost:
Just pile up all the garden trimmings, kitchen scraps (no meat or fat),
some manure, & dig all that stuff... around whatever needy plants. - Then
put the rest over in the compost-corner, for use another day.

(turning?, aeration?, micro-nutrients?: he'd laugh, tho not AT you). And
this precious human grew EVERYthing possible...in his 30x50 ft. paradise.
His harvests won prizes annually in our little 5000-people European town.
How he imprinted me, with the passion & skills for gardening, I'll always treasure!
sorry for digressing. Anyways, don't worry. Just pile up all the garden trimmings, kitchen scraps (no meat or fat), some manure, & dig all that stuff... around whatever needy plants. - And best of all HAVE FUN!

buttaflie143 wrote:I opened my compost bin to add to it and tons of tiny little flying bugs came flying out. Is this normal?

Probably. I have a pre-compost pile where I always cover kitchen scraps with browns. I alternate layers of green stuff, kitchen scraps, egg shells, etc. with browns.When the batch in my composter is done cooking, I refill it from the "pre-compost" pile.

boffer wrote:Welcome to the forum. $10 is a good price for a yard of anything these days.

It is called a class A compost, but I am not sure what is in it. Does anyone know the nutritional value.

Bud Alexis wrote:

boffer wrote:Welcome to the forum. $10 is a good price for a yard of anything these days.

It is called a class A compost, but I am not sure what is in it. Does anyone know the nutritional value.

I have never seen a classification system for compost, nor has it ever been discussed on the forum. That's not to say there isn't one, but if there is, their marketing is very weak.

Given that the content is unknown, I would consider it to be 1 of the 5 composts necessary to make a good quality Mel's Mix.

As of a few months ago there were no national standards nor classifications for garden compost. I would be wary of something named 'Class A' with no ingredient list. BUT,
this could be a grading system of the compost maker with Class A being the most completely composted or finished compost. Maybe? :?: