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Post  sanderson on 2/14/2016, 4:45 pm

QB, Yours looks like it is still in decent shape, just a little bent, like many of us are! Razz PVC for a future cover?

PS: I thought you were going to stop gardening?

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Post  quiltbea on 2/14/2016, 7:13 pm

Sanderson.....I have stopped gardening.  This was my garden for 2015.  The tubes are OK but a bit bent as you said but easily straightened out.  Oh, and I'm keeping this 'just in case' I can have a spot in a corner of a yard somewhere in my future.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 2/14/2016, 9:21 pm

We've had problems with PVC breaking down in sunlight. Then it shatters. So we're going with electrical conduit instead.... I'll let you know how it goes.
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Post  jimmy cee on 2/14/2016, 9:44 pm

PVC from Lowes is what I'm using, 3 years now and shows no sign of wear or weathering....probably crumble nest time I look at it......
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Post  has55 on 2/15/2016, 12:21 am

Sanderson. I might try your idea for getting my transplants for summer further alone (tomatoes, peppers, etc...). I need to get those plants producing before the heat wave hits. we've been in the 60's to 75's lately. I hope the heat wave don't come early, like early may. It did that in the 80's('81, I think) from the first week in may to Sept. 100's degrees everyday. Trying to figure out a way to do it. Haven't settle on anything yet. Those angles kind of got me stuck like Jimmy Cee. Thanks for explaining.
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Post  sanderson on 2/15/2016, 4:48 am

Marie, How long did the PVC last before it shattered. The oldest I have is 3 years old now. Do you arch them? Mine are all straight sections.

Has, I may experiment with February sowing of tomato seeds directly into the new bed (premiering tomorrow). I'll be making PVC frames like all the other beds so I can cover with plastic for the occasional cold or heavy rain. I'll also be starting the seedlings indoors, also, just in case the direct sowing doesn't work. Just an experiment.

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 2/15/2016, 8:08 am

They were actually straight runs that we used to bring water up to the deck. Mike made sure they were drained well before winter. But they only lasted a couple of seasons.

We're also using straight runs with the conduit. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 2/15/2016, 9:46 pm

Sanderson, I would direct sow and then if you have some wide mouthed jars, you can place them right over the top of the seed.  It will act as a mini-greenhouse (cloche) and keep the temp warm and frost off your seedling.  I save my large mixed nut containers from costco and my lettuce plastic tubs also from costco.  They work really well for the purpose and allow the plants to grow fairly large.  Certainly large enough to take them past the frost.
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Post  sanderson on 2/16/2016, 1:29 am

I tossed all the 2 liters saved for using with those drip pegs. So, I will just use plastic this year.

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Post  CapeCoddess on 2/16/2016, 11:31 am

@AtlantaMarie wrote:We've had problems with PVC breaking down in sunlight.  Then it shatters.  So we're going with electrical conduit instead....  I'll let you know how it goes.

I read on the forum somewhere that the gray PVC is more sun damage resistant and should last longer than white. I started using some gray ones last year so we'll see. My hoola hoops lasted about 3 good years.

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 2/16/2016, 1:34 pm

Good to know! Thanks, CC...!
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Post  has55 on 11/15/2016, 7:34 pm

working on 2nd portable hoop house. Hoping I do it right and can joined them together. That will extend my 12x12 to 24 by 12 to cover my elevated raised bed. will keep updating. had to add additional temperature control foundation vents to the sides due to the extended lenght.

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Post  sanderson on 11/16/2016, 3:51 am

That is a beautiful frame.  Not only will it work for winter, it will be a great frame for sun shade.  The sun shade at Home Depot is sturdy and with good clamps will withstand moderate winds because the air flows through.


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Post  AtlantaMarie on 11/16/2016, 6:15 am

VERY nice!
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 11/17/2016, 9:23 pm

+1 
I hope I have enough yard someday for one of those!
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Post  countrynaturals on 11/17/2016, 11:18 pm

Cool has55. Can't wait to see more. bounce
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/18/2016, 11:12 am

Looks awesome!  

I'm "remodeling" inside of my greenhouse and going to add an 18" wide bed most of the way down the southern side.  It will leave me a narrow walkway between and then a raised potting area at the far end.  I'm thinking of using the bed to compost fresh cow manure over the winter (making the compost for the Mel's mix right in them) and thereby gently raise the temp inside of the greenhouse during the coldest period.  

We bought zippers for the ends and have a 3' wide opening that rolls up during the day.  Still need to install the second set on the west end.  Then we'll tuck ourselves in for the winter I love you
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Post  sanderson on 11/18/2016, 1:38 pm

Photo when you are finished remodeling?

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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/18/2016, 2:31 pm

@sanderson wrote:Photo when you are finished remodeling?
If I remember to take my phone out to the garden with me I'll take a pic of where we are today so you can see both.    I have a lot of scrap beam sized wood that I want to just place in place and hubby of course wants to do it all perfectly (the artist and the engineer have SLIGHTLY different approaches, lol!)  I think I'll just do it and he won't even realize that I did so it will actually get done rather than take 2 years but have it "perfect!"  Tee hee hee  Laughing
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/18/2016, 6:19 pm

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We recovered this greenhouse as its original cover was in shreds.  We used 6 mil greenhouse poly.  The zippers come as a pair, we found them at Lowe's for I think around $19. 

We'll put an identical opening on the far side which faces west.  That will allow flow through ventilation.  On the left side where the table/mess/piled junk is, will be an 18" wide and about 10' long bed.  I'm thinking of using it to get my squash and other larger seedlings ready early next spring and let them grow until it's time to plant them outside.  I have had really good luck transplanting larger plants with my window box size system, this would allow larger space around the plants for roots then I would just dig out the entire plant and place outside in the ground when it's time.  

On the far end I will make a smaller size table which hopefully will gather less "crud" on it (we suffer from "flat-surface-itis!")

I don't have a lot growing in the largest bed, just roma and cherry tomatoes for winter and new tomato plants that will get a head start for next spring.  In the far table top are bell peppers, herbs (sage, oregano, basil and thyme) and a Juliet tomato.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/ZipWall-2-Pack-Heavy-Duty-Zipper-Kit/4748551  
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Post  trolleydriver on 11/18/2016, 6:33 pm

a.j.r ... Well that is just fantastic! 

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How I would love to have a greenhouse.
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/18/2016, 7:02 pm

Is the picture showing on my post above?  It's not showing for me anymore and I'm puzzled.

My greenhouse is not fancy but I love it.  The secret to it's success year 'round is the greenhouse within a greenhouse.  I cover the interior boxes with survival blankets when it's going to drop down into the 20s.  

I really have found that I use it a lot, especially in the spring getting my starts going.  I was TERRIBLE at remembering to take seedlings in and out and killed more than ever accidentally survived my neglect.  My next step would be a walpini-style dug into the ground version.  It would keep the plants warm in the winter and cooler in the summer.  I would dig a root cellar as part of the complex (why not dream big?!!!)
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Post  trolleydriver on 11/18/2016, 7:14 pm

@audrey.jeanne.roberts wrote:Is the picture showing on my post above?  It's not showing for me anymore and I'm puzzled.
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The photo is showing for me. However, I've noticed some delays with images being shown on other threads this evening. It may have something to do with the image hosting website that the forum uses.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 11/18/2016, 8:25 pm

Jowowow!  That is amazing!  With your moderate climate, I am not sure why you Californians need greenhouses? Is it the extreme heat?  And why would a greenhouse help with that, they are warmer, all least here. Just don't know.

Me too, TD.  I would ove a greenhouse/big cold frame.....jumpstart and the end....my Black Seeded Simpson got bit.....pulled everything,  just a few mache out there...
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Post  countrynaturals on 11/18/2016, 9:33 pm

@sanderson wrote:Photo when you are finished remodeling?
Just what I was thinking. Cool
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