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Post  Scorpio Rising on 11/17/2015, 7:18 pm

Nice set-up, AJR!
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Post  sanderson on 11/18/2015, 1:39 am

I'm just amazed at how healthy your plants look in Nov. Your efforts are well worth while.

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Post  has55 on 11/18/2015, 5:18 am

Thank you Audrey.  I loved that table top raised bed. Do you how were the farmers using the mylar? I like how you expanded on the plant protection idea. I keep gleaning new info from you. Thanks again.
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/18/2015, 9:42 am

This came from a stone fruit orchard and they use the mylar on the ground between the rows to reflect the light up to the undersides of the trees.  It has something to do with increasing the color of the fruit and it increases their price.  This is the thin stuff like the inexpensive blankets and it tears fairly easily, but the price was right  Very Happy and I have a huge ball of it so I just throw it away and get another section when needed.  

I really holds in the heat of the ground.  I've stuck my hand underneath when I'm out in the morning and you can feel the difference.
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Post  has55 on 11/18/2015, 10:49 am

a few years back, I bought a 50 pack solar protector survival blanket for about 10.00 . I did a quick glance and they're 29.00. 50 PACK • Emergency Solar Blanket Survival Safety Insulating Mylar Thermal Heat
They may be cheaper. but I found they were very thin and could tear easily, so I didn't use them.
later I found your red survival blanket on one of the post. You told me where to buy them. they have worked out very well. I was wondering since I have so many in the 50 pack if they can be sewed together for a stronger covering? Or would that be a waste of time?
Can you buy the red covering used for the backing of the mylar at Joann's?
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Post  yolos on 11/18/2015, 10:30 pm

I just bought some incandescent old timey Christmas lights for when the temp goes too low.  They actually warm up.  I was not able to find them the last few years.  I don't know why they are currently available, but Home Depot had them.  

I looked in Walmart for survival blankets but could not find any.  I guess I will try and find a sporting/camping store nearby to see if I can find any.  Or maybe Amazon.
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Post  audrey.jeanne.roberts on 11/19/2015, 1:08 am

I don't think the thin mylar could be sewn, I think it would tear from the stitching holes.  You might be able to glue them together with either a spray glue or even dabs of glue at intervals and make a layer sandwich.

The red on my survival blankets is just a paint color, I believe it's designed so that if you're lost in the snow you can be spotted from above.  

I found my blankets at REI.  They were about $18 each if I remember right.  I'm on my third winter and they're as good at the first year.  I think with care they could last for a decade or more as there really is no stress on them.  I sewed mine together to make the large central cover.  It was quite easy to do.
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Post  has55 on 11/19/2015, 8:18 pm

@yolos wrote:I just bought some incandescent old timey Christmas lights for when the temp goes too low.  They actually warm up.  I was not able to find them the last few years.  I don't know why they are currently available, but Home Depot had them.  

I looked in Walmart for survival blankets but could not find any.  I guess I will try and find a sporting/camping store nearby to see if I can find any.  Or maybe Amazon.
Rei has them. These are the ones that AJR and I bought.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 11/20/2015, 7:36 am

Yolos - I'm guessing you had trouble finding them because LED has taken over everything.  Regular bulbs are "inefficient" & "cost you more in the long run."
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Post  has55 on 11/20/2015, 8:13 am

this is how I will use the automatic foundation vent openers with the multi angle brace from original hoop bender. I updated the plans for low hoop house in case someone is interested. I got rid of the PVC.

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1" OD emt Tubing Angle Brace Adapter  this needs to be adjusted down to 1/2"-3/4" EMT with PVC adapters. The one showing is for 1" EMT.


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Post  sanderson on 11/20/2015, 7:18 pm

Has, Your revision looks a lot sturdier. I have a gable roof on the green house and this is entirely doable.

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Post  has55 on 11/20/2015, 11:18 pm

@sanderson wrote:Has,  Your revision looks a lot sturdier.  I have a gable roof on the green house and this is entirely doable.
What green house? I'm been here long enough to be a  almost a founder(just kidding) and I never seen your green house. Please show it to us young ducklings (I'm one of them).
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Post  sanderson on 11/21/2015, 2:09 am

PVC and fittings with strings holding it together.  No glue so I can break it down in the spring.  Set on a 4' x 4' plywood base as a buffer against the cold bricks.  Heavy extension cord for a night stand lamp when it freezes.  I may also use it to acclimate seedlings in the spring.  When I built it in 2013, it was too short for me to stand up, so I added the 1' layer at the bottom.  I started building a door but ran out of time.  This works for now.  
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If we get a cold snap, I can add plastic to the frames over the table tops with winter crops.  Photo from 2-18-14.  The Winter Journey and greenhouse plastic  - Page 10 Table_12

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 11/21/2015, 9:01 am

Nice set-ups, you guys!
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Post  has55 on 11/21/2015, 11:06 am

very nice. Thank you for sharing.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on 11/21/2015, 11:32 am

How does the PVC hold up to the weather?  I've had experience with it breaking in the winter...
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Post  has55 on 11/21/2015, 1:15 pm

Getting ready for winter in SFG

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Post  yolos on 11/21/2015, 7:06 pm

Wow, that's mighty strong wind.  Glad to see your hoops holding up.  

Here is a picture of my low tunnel I just finished tonight.  2 feet by 32 feet with a couple aisles in the middle of the row of 2 x 2 boxes.  Tonight is a test run.  Tomorrow the temp is forecast to be 28*F.  All planted with various varieties of lettuce.  Some of the lettuce is cold tolerant but not all varieties would withstand those temps unless I covered.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 11/21/2015, 8:22 pm

Nice, Has & yolos, you will have an extended season for sure!
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Post  has55 on 11/22/2015, 12:06 am

Yolos, it looks like early christmas with those lights. When you get a chance can you shows us pictures of the inside setup. It's a very beautiful sight looking at those lights at night.
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Post  sanderson on 11/22/2015, 4:32 am

Has,  I can't imagine wind that strong.

Yolos, Looks like Christmas Tree Lane.

What are the pros and cons of plastic vs. row covers (Agribon??)

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Post  sanderson on 11/22/2015, 4:42 am

@AtlantaMarie wrote:How does the PVC hold up to the weather?  I've had experience with it breaking in the winter...
The ones that broke, where they bent for hoops? All of my PVC pieces are straight so there isn't any unusual pressure on them. None have broken since I started gardening in March 2013. Of course, my weather extremes are 20*F and 112*F, nothing like the folks with snow.

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 11/22/2015, 8:08 am

No, they were straight runs.  But we were using them for water during the summer, so who knows if they had water in them or not...  I know DH had drained them, but.....

Thanks.  PVC is certainly cheaper than a lot of other things.
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Post  yolos on 11/22/2015, 7:10 pm

@has55 wrote:Yolos, it looks like early christmas with those lights. When you get a chance can you shows us pictures of the inside setup. It's a very beautiful sight looking at those lights at night.
Here are some pictures of the inside.  I had some critter visit my lettuce so I put a critter fence up around most of this row.  The 3/4 inch EMT is 3 feet 4 inches long, pounded into the ground 1 foot.  I used this to wrap the critter fence around the beds.  Then I decided to make them into hoops.  I added a very small diameter pvc type pipe that I bent from one side of the bed to the other side.  This pipe was small enough to fit inside the 3/4 EMT pipe.  And I also added a perline (sp) added across the top.  The pvc type pipe is smaller in diameter than the 1/2 inch pvc so it is very flexible.
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This next picture shows the Abribon 19 underneath the lights.  The Agribon is  stretched across some small fencing set up along the inside of the row.  The Agribon is not touching the lettuce plants.  The plastic which I will pull over the top before the sun goes behind the trees is 6 ml plastic from Home Depot.  I hung the lights with a thick gauge wire from the top of the hoops.  You can also see the critter fence I put on the outside to keep the lettuce from being eaten by something.
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Post  yolos on 11/22/2015, 8:34 pm

@sanderson wrote:Has,  I can't imagine wind that strong.

Yolos, Looks like Christmas Tree Lane.

What are the pros and cons of plastic vs. row covers (Agribon??)
I don't know all the pros and cons but here are a few.

Plastic keeps the rain off if it is a rainy season.
Plastic is cheap.
Plastic does not tear as easily.
Plastic must not touch the plants.
Plastic has to be vented on a sunny day to keep from heat build up.
Fabric row covers allow rain in.
Fabric row covers do not buildup heat inside the tunnel.
Fabric row covers can be lain directly on top of the crops.

Here is an article I liked.  They mention a wide range of season extending options.
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/722.html
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