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Post  jimmy cee on 10/11/2013, 9:37 am

I decided to take the time to bring this idea out to see if it may be practical for anyone to use.
Please feel free to improve it if your idea/s appear better.


This is my 3rd bed using what I'm calling a floating grid system, I am well pleased with how their working, since this is only my first season with SFG, I may be making changes, however I kind of doubt it.
A group om images with descriptions follow, hopefully they'll be self explanatory.

This is the bed completed, need more MM, to bring it up to grid, ran out of material...compost is ready and VM will be here soon to complete it.
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Below is showing bricks I am using for weights, keeps the line straight, in place and neat looking.
Springs, etc may be used, I just enjoy bulky things.
Notice the left side of the bed, top is being used to establish a level around entire bed, levels were used to maintain this...Grooves were filed every foot to keep line from moving out of position
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I used simple washers, with the line knotted to secure opposing side, many other methods can be used.
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View from a level perspective, line is laced in order to help maintain a shape.
Space between top of MM and grid is viewable, you will be able to see how much is needed to maintain a level MM bed.
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Holes drilled in side of older bed, these holes are level with the top of opposite bed side.
Holes drilled are just enough to allow line to go through
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Notice how flexible grid is...can be moved anywhere, even removed completely, then placed back in slots .in original position.  
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Since the bottom critter screen will not move, and the grid will always be level, you can measure how much MM is in the bed. I know 6 inches is all that's recommended, from using a pre-existing bed I want it filled.
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A couple of pics from different spots of the bed.
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This has been relatively simple to put together, $6.00 for line, a few cents for washers.
To my way of thinking, I like the way it will stay in place, or if it does move for what ever reason, just shake it or slide it to the grove...
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Post  llama momma on 10/11/2013, 11:06 am

Whatever works is how I see it. I'm happiest with the simplest, fast, and low tech methods.  I do use the coated clothesline like you.  But lately I've used pretty, shiny, brass upholstry tacks and pulled really hard on the lines to get them taut.  Hammered them into the top of the wood.  Also weaved the lines like you did.  Last year I somehow managed to break (jammed for life) my husbands nice drill. Embarassed  
Guess I'm better off with a hammer. Razz
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Post  jimmy cee on 10/11/2013, 11:51 am

Momma
2 years ago my son sent me a Dewalt 18volt rechargeable drill.
A perfect gift for Christmas.
I hardly use my electric drill any more
2 months till ??????
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Post  sanderson on 10/11/2013, 12:45 pm

Jimmy, At first I thought, "That's a lot of work for grids." But then, it looks like this box is 10 feet long and the weighted clothes line makes a lot of sense. Especially with little groves marking the spot. You are creative and industrious.
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Post  jimmy cee on 10/11/2013, 1:09 pm

Really wasn't that much more work than any other grid.
Also, when you look at an SFG garden/bed what do you see at first ? the squares.
They stand out especially when empty, I'm surely no neat nut, however I'd enjoy my garden when it looks nice.
ssssshhhhhhh don't tell my wife.....
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Post  llama momma on 10/11/2013, 6:38 pm

@jimmy cee wrote:Momma
2 years ago my son sent me a Dewalt 18volt rechargeable drill.
A perfect gift for Christmas.
I hardly use my electric drill any more
2 months till ??????
Yes, 2 months.  He went and replaced it with a new rechargeable.
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Post  floyd1440 on 10/12/2013, 5:26 am

That was a very interesting grid you have Jimmie and looks nice.  My old wooden grid is getting a little brittle so will have to upgrade soon and I like the cloth line you used.  To me the grid is very helpful in the spring but even I cannot see my wooden grid when you get to full summer so am leaning towards some type of string grid and removing it in early summer.

When I took the grids off last week there were a TON of pill bugs under then as it is always wetter under them and it is also more difficult to weed as they seem to like to grown under the grids.
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Post  jimmy cee on 10/12/2013, 8:09 am

Pill Bugs  hhhhhmmmmm
yes I know them well, from my compost pile into the garden, cannot defeat them
I am going to start using diatomaceous  earth next season, along with eggshells ground up in a small coffee grinder.
I tried eggshells in the grinder, it did a nice job of grinding them up.
Almost like a powder, spread over the square tops these crushed eggshells will become lodged in the cavities of pill bugs and other crawling bug (snails, etc) cut them up and they die.
Be like adding sand to moving gears.
Eggshells also will add some calcium to the bed, all in all I think this will be a good idea...(hopefully)
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Post  llama momma on 10/12/2013, 8:46 am

@jimmy cee wrote:I tried eggshells in the grinder,..........Be like adding sand to moving gears.
After doing exactly that for a short while I was concerned about jamming the grinder with fine powder.  Now I put egg shells in those strong bags that line cereal boxes.  Crush with a rolling pin.  Another solution I heard somewhere the shells will dissolve with a little vinegar then pour it into the garden diluted with water.
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Post  bnoles on 10/12/2013, 10:37 am

Hi Jimmy,

Beware that diatomaceous earth will kill any hope of having worms in your garden. Just an FYI and it may not even be a concern in your case.
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Post  jimmy cee on 10/12/2013, 12:52 pm

Thanks for that tip.
I'm going to need to make a decision then.
All plants this year have been eaten alive by bugs, I recently found the biggest bug is most likely
that cabbage moth.
However the sow bugs are doing their share also, I see them all over at night.I have loads of everything (bugs) in my compost, that's where I want them to stay, however their not listening to me.
I'll be checking it out though
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Post  sanderson on 10/12/2013, 2:42 pm

Jimmy,  Tulle supported with wire clothes hangers for Brussels sprouts:
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Sluggo Plus trays, made from bottoms of yogurt and soda cups:  Sluggo works for snails, slugs and sow bugs (and earwigs).
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Post  jimmy cee on 10/12/2013, 9:36 pm

Does rain affect sluggo ? if yes then replacement is required after rain ceases?
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Post  Marc Iverson on 10/12/2013, 9:45 pm

Questions:

1. I notice the tulle in the first pic is not tight to the planter side or the ground. Some here say that moths etc will find a way in if you leave any gaps. Are you finding that not to be the case?

2. Why not just pour the sluggo onto the top of the soil?

3. Where the heck do you get wire coathangers these days? I've been looking all over and can't find any of them anymore.
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Post  VJ72584 on 10/12/2013, 10:43 pm



3.  Where the heck do you get wire coathangers these days?  I've been looking all over and can't find any of them anymore.
 Find someone who wears work uniforms.  Garages, some factories etc.  They get a handful every week with the clean uniforms and probably can't wait to give them away.
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Post  sanderson on 10/13/2013, 2:18 am

VJ,  Good idea for coat hangers - uniformed staff.  My husband has a handful of shirts that he takes to the laundry.

Marc,  I ran outside to take these photos so they aren't staged!! Yes, I have to keep the tulle tucked in and clipped properly when the white butterfly is active

As far as the Sluggo Plus, I just didn't want to use pesticides on the plants any more than I have to.  Totally personal decision.  I don't like the BT part.  I had Stage 0 cancer (lucky) and just wanted to see (another test!) if I could grow as "naturally" as possible.  I sprayed BT on that BS plant and it turned the leaves yellow.  I decided that I wouldn't eat any part that was sprayed. So, if it ever produces sprouts. I would eat those.  I started from seed in Feb so talk about a loooong time growing.  Yes, when desperate, I do use neem oil on fruiting plants where I can soapy-wash the "fruit."  I restock the trays every 2-4 weeks.  I sprinkle the SP around the outside of the beds to control slugs and snails.
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