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Post  CapeCoddess 4/27/2013, 5:51 pm

Wow, look at that root! Whatta stinker! I have a feeling my day is coming...the pines are only about 15-20 ft away.

So why do the garlic and shallots rot out? Too much snow?

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Post  camprn 4/27/2013, 5:55 pm

CapeCoddess wrote:Wow, look at that root! Whatta stinker! I have a feeling my day is coming...the pines are only about 15-20 ft away.

So why do the garlic and shallots rot out? Too much snow?

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I duuno, maybe I planted them too deep and too late. Not too much snow.

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Post  NHGardener 4/27/2013, 6:02 pm

Doh! Tree roots ate my compost pile and that's why I've been composting straight in the (new) garden boxes, which isn't ideal either.

And camprn, when did you plant your garlic, that it disappeared like that? I think I planted mine last of October/beginning of November.
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Post  dvelten 4/27/2013, 6:08 pm

camprn,

You can't win against tree roots. You can hack them out but that just stimulates their growth. That's why I abandoned the beds in my backyard and wound up in the community garden, which is 2 miles away. I realize now I could have raised the beds onto blocks, which would create an air gap to stop the roots. That's what you should do with that box, but it's an awful lot of work.

With all the snow cover into late spring, my shallots rotted and have not sprouted. That was a failed $20+ experiment. Is that why you plant shallots in Spring? Fortunately all my hardneck garlic survived and is growing well right now.

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Post  camprn 4/27/2013, 6:11 pm

Yup, you are so right DV. I started converting beds last year. If you look at the first photo you will see that all the new beds that are planted and a few others that are ready are all above the ground, (except the garlic bed). It's the only way for me to go. Rolling Eyes Very Happy

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Post  camprn 4/27/2013, 6:25 pm

NHGardener wrote:Doh! Tree roots ate my compost pile and that's why I've been composting straight in the (new) garden boxes, which isn't ideal either.

And camprn, when did you plant your garlic, that it disappeared like that? I think I planted mine last of October/beginning of November.
I planted the hardneck on 10/22/12. I think i planted the softneck, which is fine and growing beautifully, on/or about 10/30/12.

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Post  quiltbea 4/27/2013, 6:57 pm

Campr....I had the same issue with my garlic. Wondered why I didn't see any sprouts in the bed I planted last Oct 12th. Checked below the surface yesterday and there's nothing left there but some dry skins in all six squares. Maybe it was the long, white snow cover. I was surprised.
I've been looking for more space for more brassicas so I guess the broccoli, cabbage and caulis have found a home.
I sowed spinach and turnip today and worked with my blueberries and in my flower bed. Tomorrow I plan to put pansies and marigolds (thank you pollinator) in pots and transplant some herbs in pots as well. The weather should be improving.
For tonite, I covered up my tomatoes with blankets once again. That Taxi tomato hasn't given up completely yet. It was looking like it might come back when I checked today and Jetstar has lovely blossoms.

And Yes, I've been watering my beds. No rain here.
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Post  llama momma 4/27/2013, 7:20 pm

camprn wrote:
CapeCoddess wrote:Wow, look at that root! Whatta stinker! I have a feeling my day is coming...the pines are only about 15-20 ft away.

So why do the garlic and shallots rot out? Too much snow?

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I duuno, maybe I planted them too deep and too late. Not too much snow.

Oh camprn, Nooo!! I can't believe it. Sad Your garlic pictures from last season were my gold standard to reach for. Possibly you may recall I planted my hardnecks too early in Sept and they poked through the various snow periods all winter long. I covered them in leaves like you do, got worms all over for the first time in all the beds. Still, I expected my garlic to die from the early planting. I just don't get it. This shouldn't have happened to you. A hex Evil or Very Mad on your place?-- first your bees now this?? thinking I'm too new at this and couldn't handle it gracefully. Hope you are stronger than I.
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Post  camprn 4/27/2013, 7:48 pm

Naw, farming is just like that sometimes. My softneck garlic is doing fine. I'll try again in the autumn.

As for the bees, I found the queen and now all is right in their little world. Very Happy

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Post  RoOsTeR 4/27/2013, 8:36 pm

Camp, glad you found the queen, and the beds you've raised and planted look great Very Happy The tree root box's left and the garlic vanishing...sorry Embarassed I guess you get to plant more somethings now in place of the garlic sunny

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Post  NHGardener 4/27/2013, 9:49 pm

Wait - what does putting the beds "above the ground" mean? I can see putting bottoms on them, but you put bottoms on and raised them up? Would the bottoms not be enough to protect against roots?
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Post  camprn 4/27/2013, 11:12 pm

Yes, the beds are above the ground, resting on lumber like 2x4s, etc. All the boxes you can see to the right and in the foreground of the image are all above the ground. I don't trust these roots no not infiltrate a box sitting directly on the ground. Thus they are raised by just an inch or two.

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Post  NHGardener 4/28/2013, 7:53 am

Boo hoo camprn, you sacrifice your worms.

On to spinach: My transplants aren't looking so healthy. Has anyone had any luck sowing spinach in the fall and then having it pop up after winter is over? I read that on a forum somewhere.
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Post  camprn 4/28/2013, 7:59 am

NHGardener wrote:Boo hoo camprn, you sacrifice your worms.

On to spinach: My transplants aren't looking so healthy. Has anyone had any luck sowing spinach in the fall and then having it pop up after winter is over? I read that on a forum somewhere.
I will still have worms and their castings from the compost. Surprisingly, in the elevated boxes there were worms that survived the long cold freeze.

In the past I have had a spinach plant or two survive overwinter. They put out some foliage and then bolt very quickly.

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Post  CapeCoddess 4/28/2013, 3:12 pm

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On to spinach: My transplants aren't looking so healthy. Has anyone had any luck sowing spinach in the fall and then having it pop up after winter is over? I read that on a forum somewhere.

I plan on trying this in the fall because I have 2 that from last year that came up this year and are miles ahead of my spring seeding.
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Btw, I had to cover with tulle this afternoon after spying "it who will not be named" flitting by. Seems early for that already. No Altho last year I was totally ignorant to that stuff so I don't know what I'm comparing it to. Rolling Eyes

Oh, and I went to HD today and they have all there summer veggies outside, and since there are hundreds of them I kinda doubt they're taking them in every night. Does this mean I can plant mine outside now??? What a Face

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Post  quiltbea 4/28/2013, 4:01 pm

CC......I wouldn't plant the warm crops out just yet. I know you're itching to do so, like me, but we're bound to get another freezing nite or two so unless you can cover them up nice and warm, let them harden a bit longer. My tomatoes enclosed with plastic are doing fine so you might wrap clear wrap around some tomato cages to get some in extra early.

Camprn....I see my shallots are starting to sprout.
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The ones in the square next to them were dug up by somthing before and they aren't sprouting yet.
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I transplanted my pansies into pots and placed them on bed corners to brighten the garden this year. If you put a brick diagonally on the corner, it holds a quite large pot, larger than the ones I have there. Nasturtiums and marigolds will be planted right in the beds themselves.
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The Bloomsdale spinach I sowed on 4-15 is starting to sprout.
I'm quite happy with my garden now that I see sunshine each day. The nites are supposed to be in the high 30s to low 40s at nite the next several nites so I don't have to go around with blankets and towels to cover.
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My chive square overwintered in the bed just fine and is coming back nice and healthy.

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Post  camprn 4/28/2013, 4:40 pm

OOOoooooh! QB! Looking good. My shallots are about the same. Those other ones will come along nicely!

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Post  NHGardener 4/28/2013, 5:02 pm

If my transplanted spinach, which was beautiful indoors, ends up dying in the garden, I'm just going to direct seed next year. Yours (2) look great!
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Post  CapeCoddess 4/28/2013, 5:26 pm

quiltbea wrote:I see my shallots are starting to sprout.
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Apparently I got confused about shallots last year. I planted 2 of them when I planted the garlic, on Halloween, instead of in the spring...? Will they be any good? April 2013 New England - Page 6 100_6310
Are shallots garlicky tasting onions or are they onion-y tasting garlics? How do you know when it's time to dig them up - dying leaves?

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Post  CapeCoddess 4/28/2013, 5:30 pm

NHGardener wrote:If my transplanted spinach, which was beautiful indoors, ends up dying in the garden, I'm just going to direct seed next year. Yours (2) look great!

Maybe you could direct seed a few right now just to see?

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Post  NHGardener 4/28/2013, 5:59 pm

CapeCoddess wrote:Maybe you could direct seed a few right now just to see?

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Ooh. That's a great idea. Why didn't I think of that.
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Post  quiltbea 4/28/2013, 11:33 pm

This is my first time growing shallots so I don't know anything about them, I'm afraid. Camprn could probably answer.
I only know they have a very mild onion flavor.
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Post  camprn 4/29/2013, 7:30 am

Shallots have a mild onion flavor and are prized by chefs and cooks for the aromatics that is imparted in a dish. CC yous look pretty good.
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Post  NHGardener 4/29/2013, 7:50 am

From this site, it looks like shallots are more nutritional than onions: http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/shallots.html

I take nutritional aspects into consideration when prioritizing plantings. Shallots may just have to go on my list for next year.
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Post  camprn 4/29/2013, 7:57 am

NHGardener wrote:From this site, it looks like shallots are more nutritional than onions: http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/shallots.html

I take nutritional aspects into consideration when prioritizing plantings. Shallots may just have to go on my list for next year.
Oh! Good to know. This is my favorite nutrition data go to site.

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