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Post  tiffanybrenner 4/4/2012, 10:32 am

Hi SFG friends!

I have a terraced side yard where the bottom terrace isn't getting full sun 6-8 hours per day. Its shaded for most of the day except for the few hours the sun is right above. So let's say full sun 3-4 hours tops. Then after that, high bushes/trees = intermittent sun/shade.

I'd love to use this nice space to plant veggies or fruits. I'd even consider planting some dwarf citrus down here or berry bushes, but I'm seeing they need full sun. Any ideas for veggies that will do ok in partial sun?

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Post  givvmistamps 4/4/2012, 10:40 am

Sounds like a great place for lettuce during the hottest part of summer...but that probably won't be enough to fill the space (unless you want to start selling it Wink).

Hopefully someone else will chime in. I only know what I've read...no practical experience yet!
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Post  lisaphoto 4/4/2012, 12:35 pm

Artichokes can handle part shade I think
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Post  UnderTheBlackWalnut 4/4/2012, 1:10 pm

Greens, some herbs, some root crops...do a Google search for shade vegetables and you should get some good hits -

Here are a couple to get you started...
http://www.motherearthnews.com/shade-tolerant-vegetables-zm0z11zsto.aspx

http://organicgardening.about.com/od/vegetablesherbs/a/shadeveggies.htm

PS - glad you brought up this topic - because I too have large areas that are dappled sun and have this on my list of things to do a better job of understanding and planning... Smile
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Post  lisaphoto 4/5/2012, 8:28 am

A lot of my herbs did better last summer in a bit of shade than in the full sun garden
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Post  Too Tall Tomatoes 4/5/2012, 8:59 am

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Post  tiffanybrenner 4/5/2012, 9:53 am

Wow, thank you! Now how do I decide? ;-)

Actually, I was standing out there yesterday and came to the conclusion that if I can convince the HOA to cut down a large, high bush in front of my lower yard that I will get at least a couple more hours of sun there. I'll work on some way to word my request that touts the benefits of doing this from an environmental, teaching my child about sustainability, etc....

And YES, for those of you that have never experienced an HOA - they can be pure joy ;-)

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Post  Too Tall Tomatoes 4/5/2012, 11:24 am

@tiffanybrenner wrote:Wow, thank you! Now how do I decide? ;-)

Actually, I was standing out there yesterday and came to the conclusion that if I can convince the HOA to cut down a large, high bush in front of my lower yard that I will get at least a couple more hours of sun there. I'll work on some way to word my request that touts the benefits of doing this from an environmental, teaching my child about sustainability, etc....

And YES, for those of you that have never experienced an HOA - they can be pure joy ;-)

-Tiffany

There is a Home Owner's Association in the village I live in. Fortunately they're not as strict as Home Owner's Associations can be. You need to get permission for things like a new roof. It's more of a formality because they always let you do such a thing. They just require your new roof to color coordinate your house.....if you have tan-colored siding on your house, they won't let you put on purple roofing shingles.

They do require you to get permission to build any major structure....an addition or maybe a big garden shed, but I'm just building two 4 x 10 boxes on the side of a house. Not really permission-worthy if you ask me.
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Post  donnainzone5 4/5/2012, 4:15 pm

Hi, Tiffany!

I have a similar problem with my garden, which gets perhaps 3-4 hours of sun per day. However, I somehow manage to get beans, tomatoes, occasionally some small ears of corn, and a cuke or zuke or two.

If you do try to grow summer crops like these, observe your raised beds carefully to determine which squares receive the most sunlight, and plant accordingly (kjeeping in mind that trellises for vining plants generally should be placed on the North side).

Best of luck!
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Post  AvaDGardner 4/5/2012, 5:44 pm

@tiffanybrenner wrote:Wow, thank you! Now how do I decide? ;-)

Actually, I was standing out there yesterday and came to the conclusion that if I can convince the HOA to cut down a large, high bush in front of my lower yard that I will get at least a couple more hours of sun there. I'll work on some way to word my request that touts the benefits of doing this from an environmental, teaching my child about sustainability, etc....

And YES, for those of you that have never experienced an HOA - they can be pure joy ;-)

-Tiffany

I just tell them the bush needs trimming! Tree trimming is a January thing in CA.

My shade thrower is actually not on our HOA property, but does hang over. It's a 20' red trumpet jasmine, so it isn't like trimming a tree. It just keeps on growing.
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Post  littlejo 4/5/2012, 9:13 pm

I live in SC and personally I think the amount of heat you get shortens the amt. of direct sun you need. I planted my whole garden beneath a big pine tree. I doubt if any box gets more than 5 hrs. per day. Some boxes get morning sun and some get afternoon sun, but they all get the heat. We also have high humidity here. I originally did this for me, but, I think the plants like it too.

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