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Post  LittleGardener 2/23/2012, 9:39 am

What do you know about this USDA Farm Survey?
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Online_Response/Be_Counted/
it says "NASS conducts a census of all agricultural operations every 5 years
with sampled surveys occurring between censuses." Have you ever even heard of it before?
Trying to get informed about it: http://ppjg.me/2012/01/04/the-usda-agricultural-survey-voluntary-not-mandatory/ - Here it says it is Voluntary... and on the bottom of that it says "Bear in mind this is just a survey. It is not federally mandated and cannot be mandated and carries no force.
Effort to make illegal any crops of any kind, other than those grown and
supplied by Big-Ag and the bio-pirates."
um. No
What do you think about all that?
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Post  littlejo 2/23/2012, 11:54 am

The 'survey' if it is used only as a survey seems ok but weird. Why count a family that is just growing it's own food.

If you look at the pages with county harvest/planted estimates, that is a tell all. I know what my county produces(not actual acreage), and my county is not counted!

I have a feeling that if you have 10 acres of corn, on survey, and you sold it at a 'roadside stand/back of your truck,' they will probably somehow let the IRS know to come get you!

If you have planted more than your family would use, then someone might be knocking on your door! I give away lots to folks that cannot afford fresh veggies. You are supposed to count all that on your taxes, oops, I'll deny any involvment!



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Post  camprn 2/23/2012, 12:12 pm

I have to say there is more than just a little paranoia coming through on that second article. All semantics aside , it is long on questions and suppositions and short on any answers or facts; there is very little substance to it. There may be some use and benefit of the information gleaned from such survey/census, whether it is official or not.

A lot of how people and governments, either local, state or National are choosing to go about their business and lives is data driven. In regard to farming, small and large scale, and I am including big Ag companies, rely on data and Farm reports. It is really kind of interesting. Farmers have to plan ahead for the next season. Farmer's crop prices are based on supply and demand, this kind of information is available through National Agricultural Statistics Service and other groups. this information is widely used beyond the farm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Agricultural_Statistics_Service

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/catalog.pdf

here is an example, in the latest honey report
http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/fvmhoney.pdf


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Post  squaredeal 2/23/2012, 4:25 pm

I use to work for a major midwestern farm cooperative and I am very familiar with the Ag Census and the ag statistical services. I spent a lot of time with their data sets; it helped local cooperatives tailor services and products to their various customer segments. Diversification for smaller farms; specialization for larger farms. Information from the state agricultural statistical services provided baselines to help ag suppliers determine market sizes for fertilizer, feed, petroleum and other ag inputs, and by extension (no pun intended), investments to support these markets.
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Post  LittleGardener 2/24/2012, 8:04 am

Thank you camprn, littlejo, & squaredeal, for your information & thoughts.

Having gleaned some knowledge, and more from awareness; yet when unsure, I ask...
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Post  camprn 2/24/2012, 9:02 am

@LittleGardener wrote:Thank you camprn, littlejo, & squaredeal, for your information & thoughts.

Having gleaned some knowledge, and more from awareness; yet when unsure, I ask...
Most excellent! to question something is a good course to follow. Very Happy

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Post  plantoid 2/24/2012, 6:59 pm

We get " surveys " like that for all sorts of things here in the UK .


Most of our old government agri departments are almost fully privatized businesses with some legal validity to make them workable .
They run the info through a computer suite or two and sell the collated information , they make millions of $$$$ without ever paying you one red cent.

I'll never ever give any info to anyone who is not legally authorized to get it off me for use only in a government department .

The rest can go and blow in the wind ,. unless they are willing to pay me mega dosh for my data.

Here we have all sorts of carpetbaggers who are trying to get information on the numbers of sea anglers , the sort of fish we catch and how many fish we catch etc. etc.

It makes me laugh they call it recreational sea angling .. how that fits in when it's minus 11 oc and slashing it down with rain at the beach or rocks makes me smile .. I fish for the pot and come home when I've got enough or with out any as the case may be .

Today we hear of almost all the main fishing fleet in Scotland putting in false figures & selling illegal catches for over 15 years making millions and millions of pounds sterling for each big boat owner and they expect a couple of thousand sea anglers to turn their soul over so they can be licenced and controlled .

I see that sort of aspect following several years of USA agri surveys .. they'll have your name and address , the computers will forge a paper trail that can & will be taxed , , licenced ,controlled & incur legal expenses galore for the growers .



Best learn how to get, grow & store your own veg seeds before it's too late.

It's now crept in under the carpet in euroland that all seeds sold had to pass all sorts of tests and growth rates , chemical analysis etc. & be registered as euroland passed seed.

Suddenly all the small boys have disapeared because they cannot afford to register their seeds and we no longer have carrot seeds that are garden friendly but agri friendly instead.

We have overcome that one at present by becoming growers friendship clubs and pay a penny membership per year so we can grow and pass on each others seeds without registering them ,but I fear that will be ended in the next few years.



Local authorities are strapped for cash in this depression/recession and are looking at ever new ways of getting our money so they can stay employed spending our money..



Latest is that people who have a spare room should rent it out , if they claim any state benefit money, this state benefit will be reduced by a standard rental price of that sized room .

They are even looking at taxing any improvements you make in your gardens like brick walls ponds , paths , veg plots and greenhouses ...

Fill out a form for them ........... not likely.
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Post  tomperrin 2/25/2012, 1:08 am

This has been around for well over a hundred years, deep into the 1800's. It's really useful for genealogical purposes.

Of course, that was when good handwriting was a pre-requisite for the job of census taker.

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Post  Chopper 2/25/2012, 2:52 am

PPJG has an obvious agenda. So they should be taken with a grain of salt also, whether you support their mission or not.
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Post  plantoid 2/27/2012, 8:18 am

@tomperrin wrote:This has been around for well over a hundred years, deep into the 1800's. It's really useful for genealogical purposes.

Of course, that was when good handwriting was a pre-requisite for the job of census taker.

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That's only valid if all the various parents stayed totally faithful to their mate , currently DNA testing might show the real truth in all levels of society and belief systems .Wink



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Confidence ........ is when the mother does it. Wink
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Post  karental 3/1/2012, 9:04 am

I had to fill out that form. The cover letter said it was "required by law" that I return it. I am a registered beekeeper in my state (I only have two backyard hives, but there are Africanized bees in Florida, so if one keeps bees, one should register for annual testing).

I had to write on the front of the form "I am not a farmer". Seriously - it said to write that. Made me feel sad, though, because I have bees and a garden and will soon have chickens - doesn't that make me a farmer? Even though I live in the 'burbs and get most of my sustenance from the market?
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