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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/10/2012, 4:41 pm

All right, I need some eyes of wisdom and experience on my garden plan for this spring/summer. I am open to any criticism, suggestion, etc. Smile

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4x8 box

1st row:
peas, peas, peas, dill, broccoli, broccoli, carrots, zucchini (will sprawl outside of the box)
2nd row:
lettuce, lettuce, spinach, broccoli, broccoli, broccoli, carrots, carrots
3rd row:
lettuce, lettuce, spinach, cauliflower, cauliflower, onions, garlic, pumpkin (just one plant for the two boxes pictured - allow to sprawl out)
4th row:
corn, corn (I will add more corn once the lettuce is done), peppers, cauliflower, cauliflower, onions, garlic, pumpkin

2x8 box
(I will have a trellis on the 8' side, which is on the west, but I am planning on putting plants that do well with partial sun. That spot in my yard gets full sun all day)
1st row: tomatoes x5, cukes, peas, watermelon (sprawl)
2nd row: strawberries, strawberries, strawberries, carrots, spinach, spinach, lettuce, lettuce

All right, have at it! Thanks y'all.

Tracy in SC
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Post  Windsor.Parker on 2/10/2012, 9:41 pm

Swap positions of the corn and pepper with the peas in the North corner. You'll minimize shading your lettuce and spinach.
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/10/2012, 10:26 pm

Oh, good catch. Thanks!
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Post  littlejo on 2/10/2012, 10:35 pm

Hi Tracy,

Looks like a good plan, any plan that suits you is fine for you! The only thing I'd do is move the cukes. I don't know where I'd put them, but from experience, I'll say they are voracious in their growth habits. They will attach to a trellis, but they will grab onto the tomato plants, and you will spend your time getting them off the tomato plants. I have the notion they could hurt because they grab on tightly. They may not do any harm, but, mine bothered the heck out of me and my tom's.

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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/10/2012, 10:44 pm

Great point. I actually had my cukes and maters together last year, and I did struggle with that. Don't know why it didn't occur to me in making this plan. Smile

Thanks!
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/10/2012, 11:27 pm

Okay, here we go with suggested changes. I'm still open for more suggestions is you spot something!

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Post  Lindacol on 2/10/2012, 11:32 pm

@jazzymaddy wrote:Great point. I actually had my cukes and maters together last year, and I did struggle with that. Don't know why it didn't occur to me in making this plan. Smile

Thanks!

I'm also not sure I would have the cukes next to the peas as I havent grown peas before.

Here is my note to myself from last june when I started planting in March:

My pole beans & cucumbers have merged and grown off the top of the 4 ft trellis. The beans have not yet bloomed but the cucs have. There is such a jungle that I haven't found any cucs yet.

Note to self: DO NOT plant beans next to cucs again and give them both a higher trellis.

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I couldn't find the cukes til the were mostly too big. Same with the bans. This was one square of beans and I think one cucumber.


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Post  rhanford on 2/10/2012, 11:37 pm

everything looks alright, but for proper pollination, corn need at least 5x5 for non SFG. Two plants might just be a waste. . . might consider something else for those two squares.
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/10/2012, 11:45 pm

Forgot to mention that I'm planning to put in more corn once I harvest those lettuces, so I will end up with 6 squares total. Will that be sufficient?

And I am not sure what else to do about the cucumbers. I only got one cuke off of two plants last year, and then I got some gummy disease that killed it late in the season. Not a great year for that. I definitely want to give it a better fighting chance. Should I allow my watermelon to sprawl, and just move the cuke down a square?

Thanks you guys for all your help!!!
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Post  Lindacol on 2/10/2012, 11:56 pm

@jazzymaddy wrote:Forgot to mention that I'm planning to put in more corn once I harvest those lettuces, so I will end up with 6 squares total. Will that be sufficient?

And I am not sure what else to do about the cucumbers. I only got one cuke off of two plants last year, and then I got some gummy disease that killed it late in the season. Not a great year for that. I definitely want to give it a better fighting chance. Should I allow my watermelon to sprawl, and just move the cuke down a square?

Thanks you guys for all your help!!!

Last year I planted corn after I harvested my onions in June. I had about 6 squares with what ended up being about 20 stalks that grew (Mel recommends 4 per square). Most stalks had 2 ears. It was so delicious - I was very happy with it. I will probably follow the garlic and potatoes with corn this year.
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/11/2012, 9:08 am

Awesome! We got one ear of corn last year, but it was so tasty that it was worth it!
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Post  Luci Dawson on 2/11/2012, 3:35 pm

jazzymaddy: what software did you use to plan your garden?
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Post  plantoid on 2/11/2012, 3:50 pm

Jazzy,

That looks good , very good .
Here's a suggestion ..don't know if its possible or cheap but here goes.

Get the pictures of your crops put on white magnetic sheets , cover with a high grade sticky sheet and cut the individual squares slightly smaller than the fit to square foot scale .
Put your plan sheets on magnetic sheet and cover as before .

Put your SFG plan sheets on a metal backed surface like a fridge door or teaching board and away you go ... as soon as you clear a square remove the original label & insert the new crop magnetic label but do keep the kids away form the boards Wink .
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/11/2012, 3:55 pm

@Luci Dawson wrote:jazzymaddy: what software did you use to plan your garden?

For the first iteration in this post, I used the planner on gardeners.com. Here's the link.

http://www.gardeners.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Gardeners-Site/default/Page-KGPJS

Then I just did a screen capture and saved it as a jpeg.

But then I wanted to able to move it around more easily and save it in my files, so I re-created it with excel and clip art. Not very high tech. Smile
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/11/2012, 3:57 pm

@plantoid wrote:Jazzy,

That looks good , very good .
Here's a suggestion ..don't know if its possible or cheap but here goes.

Get the pictures of your crops put on white magnetic sheets , cover with a high grade sticky sheet and cut the individual squares slightly smaller than the fit to square foot scale .
Put your plan sheets on magnetic sheet and cover as before .

Put your SFG plan sheets on a metal backed surface like a fridge door or teaching board and away you go ... as soon as you clear a square remove the original label & insert the new crop magnetic label but do keep the kids away form the boards Wink .

Love that idea. Good for us visual learners. I just keep it saved on my computer though, which is free. That works better since I can buy more seedlings with the savings... Wink
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Post  Czarina on 2/11/2012, 4:12 pm

@jazzymaddy wrote:Okay, here we go with suggested changes. I'm still open for more suggestions is you spot something!

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I'm super new, but I thought peppers need a trellis to grow? You have yours in the middle of your 4x8 with the spinach and broccoli.
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Post  Furbalsmom on 2/11/2012, 4:50 pm

I grew peppers in the middle of the bed. Most don't get over 15-18 inches tall, but may need support because the peppers can be heavy.
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Post  Czarina on 2/11/2012, 5:01 pm

@Furbalsmom wrote:I grew peppers in the middle of the bed. Most don't get over 15-18 inches tall, but may need support because the peppers can be heavy.

I want to plant peppers this year, but am racking my brain about space (trellis). How could I put support in place for peppers so that I can save my trellis room for tomatoes and cucumbers?
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Post  plantoid on 2/11/2012, 5:39 pm

Perhaps fix two 1 inch square uprights at / across the middle of an SFG box perhaps using cheap " F" clamps from a dollar & dime shop , fasten cord across the tops so you have a soccer goal sort of frame of poles and cord , then hang something down from the overhead cord over the square where you need support .

What hangs down could be another cord or a piece of wooden dowel etc. placed a couple of inches deep in the MM
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Post  walshevak on 2/11/2012, 6:03 pm

They don't need a trellis, but would appreciate a supporting stake.

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Post  Czarina on 2/12/2012, 3:38 am

Support, check!
No trellis for pepper, check!

Getting more excited learning this stuff.
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Post  Chopper on 2/12/2012, 5:00 am

@jazzymaddy wrote:Okay, here we go with suggested changes. I'm still open for more suggestions is you spot something!

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The zucchini will kill the carrots. It needs more room - probably that 4 squares in the corner.
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Post  floyd1440 on 2/12/2012, 6:29 am

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I like you layout as I have built a 4x8 SFG as well. I had to do my plan on excel so were did you get the nice graph and plants???

I would like to put mine up for review as well....
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/12/2012, 8:03 am

@floyd1440 wrote:I like you layout as I have built a 4x8 SFG as well. I had to do my plan on excel so were did you get the nice graph and plants???

I would like to put mine up for review as well....

The graph is just the cells enlarged to the right size, then I applied a border to the right places. For the plants, I just clicked "Insert" then "Clip Art", and did a search in the clip art library for tomato, carrot, etc.

Hope that helps.
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Post  jazzymaddy on 2/12/2012, 8:07 am

@Chopper wrote:
The zucchini will kill the carrots. It needs more room - probably that 4 squares in the corner.

Last year I had a zucchini in one square in the corner that I trained to flop over the side of the box, and it worked well. Of course, I only got 4 or 5 zucchinis. Maybe that was the problem. Or maybe it was the extreme heat and the bugs.
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