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Post  Alarion on 5/23/2011, 7:46 am

This is my first year attempting SFG, and as such, I started with some traditional rows this year. I tried getting some summer squash going because my wife loves them. The ones I direct-sowed in the rows are not sprouting at all.

When I was planning the squares with growveg.com's planner (same as at Jung's seed website, Jung is an affiliate for growveg.com) it takes up 4 whole squares. Yet it says I can plant 2 Cukes in a single square (I assume, if trellised). Pumpkin takes up a bit more.

Should I literally follow the spacing guidelines for SFG, which seems to be the case for most other plants? Or can you "get by" fudging it some? I assume for squash I really do need four squares per plant?

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Post  Furbalsmom on 5/23/2011, 2:40 pm

If you are growing bush type summer squash, the minimum, in my opinion is 4 sq ft (2X2 if it is on a corner of your box), and Mel recommends 9 sq ft (3X3). We have members that grown their bush squash in a special 2 X 2 box, so if it bushes out, it does not interfere with other plants.

If you have vining summer squash, Mel recommends 2 adjacent sq ft. per plant. One reason for that much room for a trellised plant is because of the huge leaves on squash.

Vining cucumbers are 2 per sq ft if trellised.

Do you know the soil temperature in your row garden? The minimum soil temp for most squash is 60 degrees, and cooler soil might prevent germination,
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Post  Alarion on 5/23/2011, 3:14 pm

great info, thanks! I don't know the soil temp - but the air temp has been 70-80s for the past week and a half or so, and was only slightly colder the two weeks before that (nights down to 50-55).

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Post  Furbalsmom on 5/23/2011, 4:54 pm

I has taken a week of mostly sunshine for our soil temp to go from 53/54 up to 58/59 here on the cool, cloudy oregon coast.

I used my meat thermometer to check the soil temp, then cleaned and sanitized it for kitchen use. I am going to have to break down and buy a thermomter just for the garden.
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Post  WendySue67 on 5/23/2011, 5:00 pm

I thought this guy's garden looked pretty awesome. He has an interesting way of staking and pruning squash that I am going to try this year. Saves on space and seems to have a ton of fruit growing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogPfOrJM0Ho&feature=player_embedded

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Post  Alarion on 5/23/2011, 7:00 pm

Hmm interesting. I just stopped by Lowe's real quick and was looking at the picked over selection of squash in both Burpee and Ferry Morse brands, and none say whether they are vine or bush (or indeterminate or determinate). *Are* there bush style vs vine style? Or are they all vine-type? I am talking Summer Squash now Wink If they can be trellised, and get one per square then that would be fine. I don't eat the stuff, but my wife does Smile

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Post  Furbalsmom on 5/23/2011, 8:02 pm

Even on the Ferry Morse site, they do not indicate vining or bush for their summer squash.

Most summer squash is Bush Type.

Burpee offers 8 ball and Verte et Blanc as summer vining squash.

Other seed producers offer Cucuzzi, Tatumi, Trombocino as summer vining squash

Territorial Seed has Black Hawk, a vining zucchini
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Post  Alarion on 5/23/2011, 8:28 pm

Thanks again. so much to learn! :scratch:

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Post  pattipan on 5/23/2011, 8:43 pm

You might like to try these: Heirloom Lemon Squash

They ARE vining although Baker Creek doesn't include that in the description. Read this about them:

http://organicgardening.about.com/od/vegetablesherbs/ig/Heirloom-Summer-Squash/-Lemon--Squash.htm

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Post  altagarden on 5/23/2011, 10:57 pm


I put my zucchini seedling in the centre of a 3X3 area, BUT I plant spinach all around it. By the time the spinach is harvested the zucchini needs the space.

I have been sprouting squash, zucchini and pumpkin in seed trays indoors and it really does take a long time to sprout. Maybe 10 -12 days and of course it is warm in my home. So yours might still pop out. If it is too cold though they will just rot. Maybe take a sneak peek? Once they sprout, they really grow fast compared to little guys like lettuce.
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