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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/8/2011, 9:26 pm

Has anyone placed their boxes on top of wood pallets for additional height? If so, did you use a weed cloth, newspaper, cardboard box etc. as the base? Any pics?
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Post  BackyardBirdGardner on 4/9/2011, 12:26 am

I never have. I actually have never thought of that. So, for once, I have no thoughts....lol.

Can you tell me what you think the pros and cons are of that idea? You may have a good one here.
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Post  ashort on 4/9/2011, 12:33 am

@BackyardBirdGardner wrote:I never have. I actually have never thought of that. So, for once, I have no thoughts....lol.

Can you tell me what you think the pros and cons are of that idea? You may have a good one here.

OMG, quick, someone write down the date and time! lol!
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Post  ashort on 4/9/2011, 12:35 am

@buttaflie143 wrote:Has anyone placed their boxes on top of wood pallets for additional height? If so, did you use a weed cloth, newspaper, cardboard box etc. as the base? Any pics?

Hadn't thought of it, however, if it was me I would most likely put the plywood underneath like a tabletop sfg
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Post  BackyardBirdGardner on 4/9/2011, 12:36 am

@ashort wrote:
@BackyardBirdGardner wrote:I never have. I actually have never thought of that. So, for once, I have no thoughts....lol.

Can you tell me what you think the pros and cons are of that idea? You may have a good one here.

OMG, quick, someone write down the date and time! lol!

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Nicely played, ashort. Nicely played.
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Post  boffer on 4/9/2011, 12:39 am

You guys made my night!
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 12:50 am

Did I do that? lol!
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Post  boffer on 4/9/2011, 12:55 am

@buttaflie143 wrote:Did I do that? lol!

Well...I guess so, since you started the thread!!!

But if you want a practical answer, then more details would help. Do you want to be one pallet off the ground? Or do you want to have the box at kitchen counter height?

Different heights, different options.
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 1:01 am

Wood Pallets 601593 I've been trying to give this some thought before responding. I'm thinking just one pallet up off the ground. As for pros and cons, I don't have any at the moment....was hoping someone else would weigh in and I could decide if it would make any difference.
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Post  boffer on 4/9/2011, 1:11 am

Some folks want to get their boxes off the ground because of poor drainage of the ground. They are worried their boxes would end up in the middle of a shallow pond.

Putting it on a pallet would allow you to pick it up and move it for various reasons.

You could also put wheels on the pallet to move the box around a driveway or patio to follow the sun.

I'm pretty sure it would prevent voles and moles from digging up into your MM.

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Post  Moonbeam on 4/9/2011, 1:27 am

@buttaflie143 wrote:Wood Pallets 601593 I've been trying to give this some thought before responding. I'm thinking just one pallet up off the ground. As for pros and cons, I don't have any at the moment....was hoping someone else would weigh in and I could decide if it would make any difference.

I saw the post on pallets today and my husband and I are going to do TT pallats on concrete blocks stacked up for a total height including the sides of 30" or so. The plan is to set the pallets atop the blocks, cover it with landscape fabric and build up a 12" base with two 1X6 boards around it. Each pallet will be its own garden but will not be 12X12 spaces because there were no 4X4 pallets. We got five free pallets, roughly 3X3 or 44X46. We will adapt. I have a bad back and bending over to care and harvest isn't realistic. We are excited about the potential of this method of gardening after a 10 year hiatus from row gardening. This will be closer to the house and hopefully more intensive without the bugs in the soil. Don't know what to do about height with tomatoes, but might just convert garbage cans for them and let them go up. This must be shoe string gardening. MM will be the biggest expense, I guess. Any thoughts?
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Post  Furbalsmom on 4/9/2011, 3:50 am

Wood Pallets 396615 Moonbeam

Really glad to have you join us.

I love table tops and I use them myself.

I am not an engineer or anything, but do you think the pallets are going to be strong enough to support the wooden box plus 12 inches of Mel's Mix and the water necessary to keep it moist? They might be, I am asking because I really don't know.

My 4'X4' TT took about 25 gallons of water to thoroughly moisten the 8 inches of Mel's Mix. I know, because I actually measured it using a 2 1/2 gallon watering can and sprinkled/poured every drop myself.

I think the idea is great, and I am all for using recycled or repurposed materials.

Keep us updated on your progress, I really want to hear how you are doing. We love pictures too!
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Post  Goosegirl on 4/9/2011, 5:38 am

@BackyardBirdGardner wrote:
@ashort wrote:
@BackyardBirdGardner wrote:I never have. I actually have never thought of that. So, for once, I have no thoughts....lol.

Can you tell me what you think the pros and cons are of that idea? You may have a good one here.

OMG, quick, someone write down the date and time! lol!

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Nicely played, ashort. Nicely played.

Is he now 'pushin' up homegrown tomatoes'? Wood Pallets 262465
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Post  boffer on 4/9/2011, 9:42 am

@Furbalsmom wrote:
My 4'X4' TT took about 25 gallons of water to thoroughly moisten the 8 inches of Mel's Mix. I know, because I actually measured it using a 2 1/2 gallon watering can and sprinkled/poured every drop myself.

You've been holding out on us! That's the magic number that's eluded us since the old forum started. It's the last unknown variable we needed in order to know: How much does a SFG 4x4 box weigh? Thanks.

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Post  myhouseofBOYS on 4/9/2011, 10:07 am

I was planning on doing this but I was either going to put a weedcloth plus hardware cloth battier or plywood on the bottom first. I was afraid the weight of the mix would try to collapse between the slats.
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Post  acara on 4/9/2011, 10:43 am

And all the green thumb people rejoiced !!!!
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 10:48 am

@Furbalsmom wrote:Wood Pallets 396615 Moonbeam

I am not an engineer or anything, but do you think the pallets are going to be strong enough to support the wooden box plus 12 inches of Mel's Mix and the water necessary to keep it moist? They might be, I am asking because I really don't know.

At the garden center where I shop, they have their square foot garden sitting on pallets, although it only has a 6" depth of MM. Hopefully, if your pallets are in good condition and you put some blocks around the sides to prevent shifting, it will hold up. Overall, your plan sounds promising. Keep us posted!!!
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 10:58 am

@myhouseofBOYS wrote:I was planning on doing this but I was either going to put a weedcloth plus hardware cloth battier or plywood on the bottom first. I was afraid the weight of the mix would try to collapse between the slats.

I told my associated at the garden center I shop at my plan and he recommended that I only use pallets with slats relatively close together. He also said laying weed cloth was not necessary, but if I was worried the soil will fall through, then to staple weed cloth around the interior of the box to contain the soil. Pallets are designed to hold a great deal of weight, so make sure your pallets are in good condition. Hope this helps.
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Post  myhouseofBOYS on 4/9/2011, 10:59 am

@buttaflie143 wrote:
At the garden center where I shop, they have their square foot garden sitting on pallets, although it only has a 6" depth of MM.


Do you know if it has a bottom of any sort though?
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 11:29 am

It does not, and I just called to verify, but his slats are almost touching. Smile
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Post  sully on 4/9/2011, 11:58 am

I have seen wood pallets with engine blocks sitting on them.
They should have no problem holding a SFG.
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Post  Moonbeam on 4/9/2011, 12:21 pm

The 12" of siding is my idea to allow tomatoes, or other plants that need a large root system to grow. I have rethought that and am now thinking I should use 8" and do the tomatoes in containers on the ground. Is there a limit as to which vegetables a 4" depth will support? I suspect my "newbie" state is showing. My focus with this garden will be tomatoes, peppers, squash, beans and herbs of various sorts. Almost jokingly I ask if anyone has done corn in containers?
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Post  Furbalsmom on 4/9/2011, 1:21 pm

Moonbeam, have you had a chance to read ALL NEW SQUARE FOOT GARDENING yet? It has the answers to some of your concerns regarding the depth of MM. One of the main things about Mel's Mix is that you can grow just about anything in 6 inches, so 8 inches would be more than plenty.

Even tomatoes do well in 6 inches of MM. There are a few things, root vegetable with longer roots such as potatoes or carrots that might need 8 or 10 inches.

Where will you have 4 inches of MM?
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Post  Moonbeam on 4/9/2011, 3:25 pm

The book is due in this week, but I was going on old knowledge from sources past. The 4" idea was one that jumped onto the post when I wasn't looking. I think I'll just go back to lurking until I can get my book. Going much beyond this point without the book seems unwise. Thanks to all for a generous welcome.
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Post  buttaflie143 on 4/9/2011, 4:09 pm

@Moonbeam wrote:The 12" of siding is my idea to allow tomatoes, or other plants that need a large root system to grow. I have rethought that and am now thinking I should use 8" and do the tomatoes in containers on the ground. Is there a limit as to which vegetables a 4" depth will support? I suspect my "newbie" state is showing. My focus with this garden will be tomatoes, peppers, squash, beans and herbs of various sorts. Almost jokingly I ask if anyone has done corn in containers?

I have spoken with other SFG who have grown 8' tomato plants in 6" of soil in their gardens. The roots turn and go wherever they need to get what they need. Seriously, nature will find a way... Very Happy
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