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Post  SQWIB on 12/19/2018, 7:56 am

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Testing phase



I decide to give indoor gardening another shot this winter, it's a bit late in the year but this will be a trial run for next year, if it is a success I will expand on it next winter 2019-2020.
I will be using my existing grow area to start the seeds and grow some herbs and leafy greens.

I planted some Black seeded Simpson and Parris Island Romaine for my wife, I felt bad for her, she loves romaine but has gotten sick from it twice so she won't ever buy it again, last time she got sick we ended up in the emergency room. I also tossed in some Beets to hopefully get a beet harvest so I can make some pickled red beets, but I'm not holding my breath.


November 24th, 2018


  • Beets - Detroit Dark Red (59 days), Romaine - Parris Island  (70 days) and Lettuce - Black Seeded Simpson (45 days).


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  • Moved lettuces to individual pots.

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  • Beets seem to be doing well

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December 17th, 2018




New grow area setup and trials


I was able to squeeze a bit more out of my Grow Area and will attempt at growing tomatoes and peppers along with my greens, the grow table will be for the herbs and greens and the new grow area will be for fruiting plants... this should be fun.

The hard part was finding a table for the new grow area, I didn't want to make another table, I just dont have the room, so I looked around the work shop and think I have a solution, but first let me get some more seeds started.


  • Planted some Baby Bok Choy - Suzhou Baby Bok Choy (30 days), Gardeners Delight Cherry Tomato (65 days) and an Abe Lincoln Tomato (87 days). I also ordered  some Totem FI seeds (75 days)


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December 18th, 2018

I ordered some "BR" bulbs, a UFO Full spectrum Grow light and a few Clamp Light fixtures for this project.




Today I planted cilantro (30 days) and Genovese Basil (66 days) and mixed up some fertilizer this is for my herbs and greens.

Nute Mix per 5 gallons for greens (20-18-38)



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Post  SQWIB on 12/20/2018, 7:23 am

December 19th, 2018




I got caught up in all the hype after doing a bit of research and reading reviews and ordered another Led Grow light and some Panda Film.









  • After work today, I cleared a spot for the new table.

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  • I will be using this table top I made that covers the Table Saw when not in use.

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  • Hung a few lamp holders but I'm not sure if I'm even going to use them.

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  • Some tables I had in the downstairs bathroom.

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  • Table added and clamped to the garage door with C-clamps. The idea is, if the plants (hopefully) get tall to the point I can't raise the lights anymore, I will drop the table down onto some crates.

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  • OK, this isn't pretty but it is functional, I wanted a strong support for the lights and the floor rafters didn't really line up to where I wanted them to to screw in eyebolts. The solution was simpler than I originally figured. I used 3" deck screws and a few washers screwed into the floor joists then wrapped a coat hanger around them. I will have to hit it with some white spray paint.

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  • After the table was situated, I planted some Garlic Chives (90 days), Jimmy Nardello Pepper (90 days), Bush Snap Beans (48 days) and a few more Black Seeded Simpson (45 days).

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  • So far so good, it's not real pretty but should work

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  • Beets @ 25 days

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 12/20/2018, 5:39 pm

Nice!  I think homegrown veggies in December are beautiful!
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Post  OhioGardener on 12/20/2018, 8:00 pm

We'll soon be eating fresh lettuce & spinach. The seedlings are just coming up nicely, and in the next couple days the plastic domes will be coming off.  We were enjoying the fall garden in a raised bed under frost cover until we had 3 nights in a row in the teen's, which killed everything but the Kale.  So, now it is time for the indoor gardens to take over until spring...  The shelf below this one will have Arugula and Beet greens once I get them planted.


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Post  SQWIB on 12/20/2018, 8:36 pm

Looking good Ohio, like to see more pics
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Post  SQWIB on 12/21/2018, 7:08 am


December 20th, 2018




After a bit more reading (slow day at work) I decided to cancel the UFO grow light and for $30.00 more ordered another, Roleadro Galaxyhydro Series 1000W LED Grow Light.
I really need to stay off of the computer!





When I got home I mixed some potting mix for the indoor veggies.


  • 1 bucket (2 gallons) peat moss
  • 1 bucket (2 gallons) Perlite
  • 1/2 bucket (1 gallons) Black Kow composted cow manure
  • 1 cup pelleted time-release fertilizer (osmocote)
  • 1/4 cup of Blood Meal
  • ½ cup lime (to counter the acid of peat and keep the pH level near neutral)

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  • I had two pepper plants that I pulled at the end of the season from the Aquaponics and raised bed. I had the plants by a window in the basement bathroom, I wanted to see if I could overwinter them. I decided to re-pot them and move them to the grow room. I know one is a Tabasco, but not sure what the other is. I took them out of their terracotta pots and tried to clean off most of the Aphid skeletons lol.


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  • Re-potted the pepper plants using the new mix and watered real well. The one root-ball looked pretty dry, so I'm not sure if it will make it, anyhow, I put the neglected pepper plants under a few Led lights for the time being and setup the fan.

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  • The Baby Bok Choy is up (3 days) without the use of heat mats.


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Post  SQWIB on 12/24/2018, 8:08 am


Ordered some more seeds from Bakers Creek for the indoor (salad) garden

  • Red Welsh Bunching Onion
  • Arugula
  • Rocky Top Lettuce Mix Salad Blend
  • Green Wave Mustard







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  • Transplanted some Chives and Parsley from the garden.


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  • For my tomato plants I wanted at least two gallon containers, I didn't want any hard type planters so opted for grow bags for easier storage.

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Post  OhioGardener on 12/24/2018, 10:42 am

Year 'round gardening, I love it!  Your Black Seeded Simpson is looking great! Mine is just about 1/2" high, but it is growing fast. The Bloomsdale spinach is just starting to come up.  But, all of them seem to be enjoying my homemade seed starting soil.  After they get a little more size, so that they are easier to see in the camera, I'll post some pictures of them.
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Post  SQWIB on 12/24/2018, 11:47 am

@OhioGardener wrote:Year 'round gardening, I love it!  Your Black Seeded Simpson is looking great! Mine is just about 1/2" high, but it is growing fast. The Bloomsdale spinach is just starting to come up.  But, all of them seem to be enjoying my homemade seed starting soil.  After they get a little more size, so that they are easier to see in the camera, I'll post some pictures of them.

I tried Bloomsdale spinach under lights 2016 and it bolted immediately, from what I have read they are day light sensitive plants, I think its called photoperiodism or something like that, so basically their bolting has nothing to do with heat, it's the prolonged period of light.

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Post  OhioGardener on 12/25/2018, 1:20 pm

@SQWIB wrote:I tried Bloomsdale spinach under lights 2016 and it bolted immediately, from what I have read they are day light sensitive plants, I think its called photoperiodism or something like that, so basically their bolting has nothing to do with heat, it's the prolonged period of light.

Thanks for that info!  I hope mine doesn't bolt to seed that fast. It was the only Spinach seed I had left over, and I haven't ordered next spring's seeds yet, so I just planted what I had.  The seed was old, and had a really poor germination rate - about 40% of the seeds germinated. I have the plant rack in an unheated room, so I was hoping the lettuce & spinach would think it was growing as cool weather crops...  Very Happy
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Post  SQWIB on 12/26/2018, 2:31 pm

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Post  CapeCoddess on 12/27/2018, 1:05 pm

@OhioGardener wrote:
@SQWIB wrote:I tried Bloomsdale spinach under lights 2016 and it bolted immediately, from what I have read they are day light sensitive plants, I think its called photoperiodism or something like that, so basically their bolting has nothing to do with heat, it's the prolonged period of light.

Thanks for that info!  I hope mine doesn't bolt to seed that fast. It was the only Spinach seed I had left over, and I haven't ordered next spring's seeds yet, so I just planted what I had.  The seed was old, and had a really poor germination rate - about 40% of the seeds germinated. I have the plant rack in an unheated room, so I was hoping the lettuce & spinach would think it was growing as cool weather crops...  Very Happy

If it bolts then you'll have seeds eventually.
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Post  SQWIB on 12/28/2018, 7:19 am

True, but spinach is one thing I struggle with, I tried Perpetual spinach and it really is perpetual, lol.
It's still growing. Its good but not quite as good as real spinach, especially if eaten uncooked.
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Post  SQWIB on 12/28/2018, 7:21 am

December 27th, 2018


Today after work I tried getting the humidity up in the room a bit by adding a pan of water on top of the heater.

I reset the Hygrometer and Thermometer the next morning to see if the pan of water I added makes a difference in the humidity in the room. By the end of this week I'll know if I need to make more adjustments to the heat and humidity.

Parsley is doing real well and the chives have greened up a bit. Planted some Arugula, Bunching Onions, Lettuce mix and mustard greens.

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Post  SQWIB on 12/31/2018, 7:27 am

December 28th - 30th, 2018


I played around in the garden a little this weekend, transplanted some Bok Choy, mixed some potting soil, setup my grow bags, cut some drip trays from 5 gallon buckets, filled my two gallon and three gallon grow bags and battled some aphids. My new Viparspectra 700 is due to come in Wednesday so I can get that hung and move the beets to the lower table to make room for my greens on the upper table.


I also got a bit carried away again this weekend, I saw a used Viparspectra 700 on e-Bay and decided to bid on it. There were a decent amount of bidders and watchers so I placed a high bid at 3 seconds and won the bid at $180.00, a bit more than I had hoped for but it's better than paying $300.00.

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Post  SQWIB on 1/3/2019, 7:47 am

January 1st-2nd, 2019

Two new toys came in today, a Viparspectra 700 and a 6 liter ultrasonic humidifier. I setup the humidifier on the lowest setting to turn on with the lights and fan. Hopefully I can keep at least a 40% relative humidity in the grow area while the lights are running. The water pan on the heater has helped a good bit keeping the humidity up slightly in the garage but hopefully the Ultrasonic Humidifier will help even more.

I unboxed the Viparspectra and this thing is a tank, all metal and about 14 pounds. I was a bit nervous hanging this from my makeshift ceiling cable. After the Viparspectra was installed I unplugged the two BR Led bulbs.



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  • The grow room is coming along nicely.

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Post  SQWIB on 1/4/2019, 9:20 am

January 3rd, 2019

The garage was like a sauna when I walked in this evening, so it's obvious the humidifier is working out nicely on the lowest setting. I just hope I can get at least 3-4 days out of a fill.


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  • The Black Seeded Simpson has another 5 days and the Romaine has 30 more days to maturity

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  • The beets have another 19 days, I really dont think I'm going to get beets but I can at least harvest the Beet Greens.

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Post  SQWIB on 1/7/2019, 8:22 am

January 4th -6th, 2019
There are going to be quite a few changes to the grow room by the end of this week but first let me recap this weekend. I made some observations and changes to the grow room. The garage was near 50% humidity during the day and I got a little shy of three days with one fill of the humidifier, I have the humidifier on a the same timer as the lights 16 hours a day, I may put the humidifier on a separate timer and run 10 hours a day instead of the 16. The plants are now drinking a lot of water and need to be checked every day, mainly the lettuces. I removed the filing cabinet and placed it in the outside playhouse, then removed the existing table and placed a new table that is 12" longer. This gives me a bit of room to get around the table and more grow room for the plants.



I also noticed something pretty interesting in the Grow Lights, more on that later.



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but first a beer.


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The pots are for extra plants that have germinated.

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Moving that filing cabinet was a chore, another beer is in order


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all the plants are on the table, yep you guessed it...


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I'm also working on different lighting for my greens/seedling table, more on that later.


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Lets have a look at some growth.


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I felt bad for these guys, somehow they ended up under a Parris Island Romaine and got a tad leggy.


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Now here is where it gets a bit interesting.


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All 4 plants were potted and watered exactly the same but two were moved off of the greens table and onto the lower table with the Viparspectra lights barely 5 days ago, coincidence??


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Anyhow, I decide that I was going to jump in this hard and hopefully reduce the chance of failure. My thought is, if I do this half @ssed in the beginning and fail, I may not want to try this again, so I made the $$ decision to add another Viparspectra 700 to the greens table and lower and butt up the two Galaxy Hydro led's.


Oh, almost forgot, I also got a cool pair of grow room shades, lol. I keep these hanging by the entry door.


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Post  countrynaturals on 1/10/2019, 11:23 pm

I just made an accidental discovery (I apologize it it's been mentioned before).

I brought my artichoke in for the winter, then discovered it was producing little gnats, so I sprayed it with something organic. Tonight I wanted to see if the spray had worked, so I got a flashlight and checked the plant. There were no moving bugs, but the flashlight revealed black spots on one of the leaves. Shocked I'll deal with it tomorrow, but . . . note to self: from now on, check inside plants at night with a flashlight to reveal hidden problems.
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Post  SQWIB on 1/14/2019, 7:41 am

@countrynaturals wrote:I just made an accidental discovery (I apologize it it's been mentioned before).

I brought my artichoke in for the winter, then discovered it was producing little gnats, so I sprayed it with something organic. Tonight I wanted to see if the spray had worked, so I got a flashlight and checked the plant. There were no moving bugs, but the flashlight revealed black spots on one of the leaves. Shocked  I'll deal with it tomorrow, but . . . note to self: from now on, check inside plants at night with a flashlight to reveal hidden problems.

Good advice
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Post  SQWIB on 1/14/2019, 7:59 am

Another one of the Viparspectra 700's came in, this was a used item from eBay, one fan of the three doesn't work and it runs slightly hotter than the New Viparspectra, I need to replace the fan. I hooked the humidifier up to a separate timer and it will cycle about 8 hours a day.

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I started transplanting the tomatoes, I had to move the Beets out of the way to make room, the beets won't get as much light here but I really needed to start making room on the Greens table and wanted to get the tomatoes under the Viparspectra lights.
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Morning check before the lights come on.
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January 8th, 2019


Not much going on in the grow room, just a bit of tweaking. I sacrificed some plants to make room for the grow bags. I usually check the grow room 5:45 am in the morning under normal lights. Then when I get home from work 4pm or so, I'll water and tweak some stuff.

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I need to thin out the greens table a bit more.

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I promised my wife a "Grilled Chicken Caesar salad" for Fridays dinner, I just hope the romaine is ready by then.
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I can't believe the growth on this Jetstar after 24 hours
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January 11th, 2019

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Dinner
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Black Seeded Simpson, Romaine Caesar Salad.
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I decide to drop the table a bit lower to allow more growing space.
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I have a feeling this table is going to get a bit tight when the plants start maturing a bit.
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I can't wait to be done with these beets.
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I dont think I'm going to get any actual beets.
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January 12th, 2019
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My new potting mix hasn't killed anything yet.
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January 13th, 2019
The Romaine and Black Seeded Simpson that was harvested for the Caesar salad Friday had some of that feared milky white substance on the heavier parts of the plant like the stalks and was a bit bitter, I was a bit miffed by this. I'm guessing that 75°F - 80°F may be a bit too much for growing the lettuce, the only other variables would be duration of light or nutrients. Watering could not be an issue as the soil was always moist.

Sunday I pulled a romaine that still had another week to go and there was still the milky substance but barely noticeable, a quick rinse after slicing and it was perfectly fine.

So from what I could find out, it is called Lactucarium. I have had this problem before when growing outside. Researching this I found it to be a form of "Natural" Latex and my daughter is allergic to "synthetic" latex, she didn't seem to be bothered by it.


I'm going to try and grow the lettuce on the concrete floor, here it will be a bit cooler and receive less light. I also ordered a few more lettuces to try that are supposedly more heat tolerant.


Since the arugula and mustard greens are in the Brassica family this may not be a problem.


I was going to regrow the heads but I have so much Romaine that I decided to toss the cut heads that showed lactucarium and only regrow ones that weren't as milky.
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I was happier with the immature head of Romaine. The white specs on the lettuce is water droplets and a crappy camera pic, not Lactucarium.
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Moved some of the older Romaine to the cooler floor, not sure if its too late for these guys are not.

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Post  SQWIB on 1/18/2019, 7:09 am

January 15th, 2019

Not a whole lot going on in the grow room, just watering every day, tweaking the temperature and shuffling plants around. I'm trying to get the temps to stay between 66°F and 76°F. This is proving to be a bit difficult heating a garage with one of those oil type radiator heaters with a dial control.


It has been nice eating lettuce the last few days, the romaine seems to be fine uncovered in the fridge for about 4 days.


The new potting mix seems to be fine so far.

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January 16th, 2019



I have been happy with the latest Romaine, I think it likes the floor a little better.
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I have been trying to tweak the temps between 66°F and 76°F but I am having a hell of a time, seems when I lower the temperature setting on the heater, the swing in temp between high and low increases. It could be drafting issues as well.

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I decided to change up a few things in the grow room, well actually, REDESIGN the entire thing. First off, I'm going to run the grow lights at night and have them off during the day.

They will run 6:00pm - 10:00am. They're currently running 6:00am - 10:00pm. Hopefully this will reduce the temp swing a bit as the day times are usually warmer.


Secondly I also ordered a grow tent and of course had to get an exhaust fan, I'm just hoping that hooking up the exhaust fan to one port will be enough to have a negative pressure in the tent. I am not too worried about intake and exhaust because I mainly wanted to get a tent for the reflective material, my original plan was to hang Panda Film but figured that the cost of the Panda film would be near as much as a grow tent and be a hassle trying to figure out how to hang it, heck, who am I kidding, cost never entered my mind.


So if ventilation and/or humidity become a problem and the exhaust fan doesn't work adequately, I'll leave the front of the tent completely open. The tent will at the least reduce drafting and increase the led lights effectiveness.


Third, since I ordered the tent I  also ordered a mini Oil Heater for the tent, I'm hoping by using the oil heater, I can place a pan of water on top of the heater and ditch the humidifier, that is of course if I seal the tent entirely.

So my project this weekend is to clear some room for the tent and it is going to be freak'n tight!!.



January 17th, 2019


Parsley filled out a bit
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Potting mix seems OK, hasn't killed anything yet
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The lights seem adequate for now, I have them 24" above the canopy.
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Romaine from yesterday, very pleased.

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I was pretty psyched after work today, I made a quick Roast Beef wrap and headed down to the grow room. I cleaned up a bit and starting throwing out stuff to make room for the tent. I'm going to have to make a few sacrifices and modifications to get this to work and it will be real tight, especially accessing the greens table and when I start my seedlings in February, however, I am optimistic. I have a couple ideas on how to access and setup the greens/seedling table with the tent in front of it.

I watered the plants and set the light timers and fan to run at night, I also tweaked the humidifier for 6 hours when the lights are on.





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Post  Scorpio Rising on 1/19/2019, 1:39 pm

Looks wonderful!
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Post  SQWIB on 1/21/2019, 8:06 am

January 18th -21st, 2019



I made some modifications when I got home after work today to accommodate the grow tent that is arriving this week.
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I had to find another spot for the seedling fan. Once the grow tent is in place, it will completely block off this table.

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My new toy came in
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Here is some romaine that I am regrowing from harvested heads. When you're not watching it like you would your first child ready to take their first step, then the stuff seems to grow pretty quick!

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The new potting mix seems to be working out OK.  My goal for the potting mix is not to have better growth up front but to be able to sustain the plant for as long as possible with minimal input as the plant starts to grow/fruit... that is if I ever make it that far.
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Everything seems to be growing fairly well under the lights, nothing seems leggy or is getting bleached.
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Post  SQWIB on 1/22/2019, 11:22 am

January 21st, 2019


Woohooo! UPS was here.
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Crazy eyed Psycho!


Time to clean up the grow area, first thing up, get rid of the beets.
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I consider this a fail!! Good riddance!!
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Cleaned out the area for the third time!
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Packaged very nicely
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OK, I'm going to try and be organized about this, so first I numbered all of the poles.
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Then labeled their position
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This is going to be tight!
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Put in the tub floor and hooked up the lighting.
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The tent went up fairly easy and I don't foresee this being a problem setting up or breaking down in the future.
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Hooked up the Cloudline vent fan and controller. This thing is actually pretty cool.
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Moved the plants into their new home... again!
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Added the humidifier.
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Played with the cloudline vent fan settings. With all 3 lights on and the vent fan set to 78°F, the heat in the tent hovers around 80°F - 82°F. I will need to play around a bit with the Garage temperature and how to draw the air in for cooling. I closed off the top vents and opened the bottom vents to pull in some of the cooler air that is drafting from the garage door. I'll need about a week to find the sweet spot.
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I have to access the seedling/greens table with the side door. I just need to make sure I leave a clearing in the tent to access the table.
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The extension cord was getting a bit too hot for my comfort, so I turned the lamps down to 50% until I can get a heavy duty appliance extension cord installed.
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