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Post  Sunsanvil on 5/19/2018, 2:22 pm

Heres the situation:

We've grown onions (from Vessey sets) for 5 years with great results every time.

Last year, during the drying phase, we notice onion maggots. Actually the "worm" looked a little longer and thinner than the photos on google but I don't know what else it could be. The entire crop, almost 100 onions, had the be thrown out. We chalked it up to bad luck.

Now here is where it gets interesting: We never planted all of the sets (just didnt have room) so some were left over, stored in the house (ie never came in contact with the infested onions which were dried in the shed and never came indoors). On a whim I planted them last week.

I thought the better of that and decided to pull them up and buy new ones. To my HORROR several of them came out of the ground with a little white wiggling terror poking out the side....after just ONE WEEK of being in the ground!!!

What is going on???

A) Were the sets we bought last year "infested"? If so, would a larva (or whatever) really survive in the unplanted ones for an entire YEAR, only to emerge the moment they were planted?!?  Seems far fetched but this is so far outside of my knowledge and experience I don't know what to think.

B) Is our soil "infested"? Will any bulb we plant be subject to almost immediate attack?  Do I dare plant onions at all?

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Post  sanderson on 5/20/2018, 12:52 am

Oh my gosh! What a Face I hope someone experienced with onions can help you. Can you plant some in a pot with any generic planting material to see if there are maggots after a week or 2 in clean material?

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Post  BlackjackWidow on 5/21/2018, 8:43 am

How terrible! I don't think your sets were infected, the pupae will overwinter in the soil and it sounds like mid-May is when they start hatching, so you had a perfect storm for maggot infestation. Sanders' suggestion of planting in a different area/container with fresh mix is a great idea; that would definitely tell you if it's the soil. I would also suggest you cover the plants with tulle or something to prevent the adults from laying the eggs in the new soil.
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Post  trolleydriver on 5/21/2018, 9:00 am

Five years with no crop rotation may have contributed to the problem.


The following is from 
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/onion/onion-maggot-control.htm


"Crop rotation is one of the most important aspects of onion maggot control. The maggots feed only on members of the onion family. If newly hatched maggots don’t find a food source, they won’t survive. When you thin your plants, remove and destroy the culls, which also serve as a food source. You should also completely remove any crop debris remaining at the end of the year. The insects like to pupate and overwinter in areas with large pieces of organic matter. To avoid providing them with a comfortable hiding place, make sure all compost is completely decomposed before adding it to areas where you are growing onions."

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Post  Sunsanvil on 5/21/2018, 9:17 am

Thanks everyone.

So if I understand correctly, the thing to do is not plant any onions (and related) at all this year (cant really experiment with alternate location as we have only have the 4 beds, all of which had onions in them last year).

With nothing to eat, any overwintered pupae will die/move on and with no new onions to attract the fly, no new eggs should be laid. Do I have that right? NEXT year should be "safe" again?
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Post  BeetlesPerSqFt on 5/22/2018, 12:08 pm

If it's onion maggots and the adult flies are in your area now (could be in the wild or coming from a neighbor's plantings) you will need to use tulle going forward, as well as waiting a year. (If you try to use tulle now, the pupae in the soil will hatch inside the enclosed area, so it won't help.) You have my empathy. A newly invading pest, the allium leaf miner, is in my area and I lost most of my leeks to it last year.

Longer and thinner could be wireworms. They tend to be copper-colored when older, but young ones are off-white, and the timing you are describing makes more sense for them as they would already be in the soil as larvae, rather than having onion maggots develop after only a week.
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Re: Help! Onion Maggots!

Post  has55 on 5/22/2018, 12:33 pm

if it not to hot in your area beneficial nematodes will work. also, you can develop the population for the fall to address anything that will come out of the soil.  depending on how bad your infestation is right now, it may be better to build up the soil life for fall. also, good compost will bring the BN to develop in your bed. live vermicompost is great, but not old aged one that you buy in the store that's in a nonbreathable plastic bag, you have to go to a supplier. homemade compost tea will be helpful.

from Elaine Ingham-soil food web


Beneficial nematode numbers need to be improved as well, to increase nutrient availability for the plants.  Add fungal foods to improve fungal biomass, and this may attract the fungal-feeding nematodes.     
 
Fungal biomass can be improved by adding some additional fungal foods, which are materials such as humic acids, fish hydrolysate with chitin and chitosan (insect exoskeletons), insect frass (high in chitin), rice hulls, steel ground oats (mostly the seed coat of the oat), or other high-cellulose or lignin containing materials which beneficial fungi enjoy.  
I like this set.-beneficial nematodes you would want neem attack. I used the triple threat in the past/
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Post  Sunsanvil on 5/22/2018, 5:53 pm

@BeetlesPerSqFt wrote:Longer and thinner could be wireworms. They tend to be copper-colored when older, but young ones are off-white, and the timing you are describing makes more sense for them as they would already be in the soil as larvae, rather than having onion maggots develop after only a week.

I googled some images and off hand they look larger than what I saw last fall (coming out of the harvested crop) as well as the sets planted and pulled a couple weeks ago, which in both cases were very small and distinctly white. Then again, maybe I've only seen the "young" version? At the same time I look at pics of onion maggots and that doesn't seem a perfect likeness either.

Call me crazy but I went ahead and planted the same square with onion sets again, the intention being to pull them in a weeks time, and this time take pictures and/or video to share and try to get a definite ID.

If it is wireworm... heaven help us! They sound bad! Its not just onions, but also carrots (which we didn't have any problems with last year), potatoes (which we are trying for the first time this year) and a butt load of other stuff. From what I'm reading they also can hang around in soil for YEARS.
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Re: Help! Onion Maggots!

Post  Sunsanvil on 5/28/2018, 11:41 am

Update for anyone interested...

1) We pulled the square of onion sets we planted 1+ week ago: No holes, no pests, no sign of damage (just lots of healthy roots). This was the exact same square we pulled the old onion sets from earlier and found a critter half inside a couple.

2) While excavating in a completely different bed (for a tomato transplant) I unearthed this fellow:




Still a little smaller and not quite so orange as the google photos, but I'd say that was a wireworm. 3 pairs of legs at the front etc.

So the question is....now what?  Were the "old" onion sets simply more susceptible? Is every root/tuber plant going to be wasted this year? Do we get nematode crazy on them?
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Post  sanderson on 5/28/2018, 2:30 pm

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