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Post  MrBooker on 2/23/2017, 7:39 am

Jimmy Cee posted a topic about 2 1/2 years ago regarding tree roots. I only wished I'd seen that post before I built all of my raised beds. Last spring, I built three 4x4's and five 4x8 beds and had a wonderful growing season.

Last week as I was preparing my beds for planting, I found three of my beds totally taken over by tree roots and I'm sure the rest of my beds will be taken over this spring if I don't get the beds raised off the ground ASAP.

There's no way you can just pull them out. Their so massive and will just keep coming back and will devour all the nutrients and moisture from your plants.

My roots are coming from a Maple tree about 40 feet away from my beds. Last week, before I saw Jimmy Cee's post, I put together in new cedar 4x8 bed. Today, I'll have to dismantle it and put 4x4's down with 3/4 ins plywood and re-frame it so it will be off the ground.

If anyone is planning on building your beds on the ground, please look at Jimmy Cee's post.

http://squarefoot.forumotion.com/t18651-roots-information.


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Post  walshevak on 2/24/2017, 7:27 am

Yep, tree and shrub roots just love Mels Mix

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Post  MrBooker on 2/25/2017, 6:11 am

We just finished rebuilding two of my 4x4's to get them off the ground to avoid more root problems and that's just the beginning. I still have four 4x8's to do and that's a LOT of work.

Sure I'd seen Jimmy Cee's post on "Tree roots" before I built on the ground.



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Post  Kelejan on 2/25/2017, 10:49 am

Good work, Mr. Booker. 

There are things that I wished I could have done in the beginning if I had know about it. Lucky for me that that after reading the first edition of Mel's book, I went on to the Internet and found that I did not have to dig up the ground.

At least, when I restart this season, I can put another section on top of my old existing beds to make it easier for me.  Previously I had changed from 4x4s to 3x6 beds so that I could reached the middle of the beds more easily.

As my old beds rot down, then I will replace with higher beds or Table Tops. A bit at a time.  Always something new to do.
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Post  ralitaco on 2/25/2017, 11:01 am

Looking good Mr B.
I see you went with Landscape ties and plywood on top of weed cloth.

For the newbies (and me):
What size holes did you drill in the plywood?
Did you use any plastic on top of the ply?
What is that under the one bed on the right? Is it mulch?

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Post  MrBooker on 2/25/2017, 11:25 am

@ralitaco wrote:Looking good Mr B.
I see you went with Landscape ties and plywood on top of weed cloth.

For the newbies (and me):
What size holes did you drill in the plywood?
Did you use any plastic on top of the ply?
What is that under the one bed on the right? Is it mulch?

I drilled 3/8 ins holes.  If I find that's to small, I can dig down and drill bigger. I figured too small is better than too big.

No plastic on the plywood.  Just weed barrier.

That's mulch under the bed on the right. I later thought about the roots may be able to grow up through the mulch and up into the drainage holes. I'm going to remove the mulch and use pallet wood to frame the bottom in to keep the critters and snakes out.
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Post  ralitaco on 2/25/2017, 11:42 am

Thanks MrB.
Is that Marine Grade Plywood?

I thought that was mulch. FWIW, I think removing it is a good idea, not only to take away a path for the tree roots, but also to allow air under the plywood to help it dry out some.
You say you are going to close in the bottom with pallet wood, but I am wondering if you need to put a vent on each side or a few holes on each side instead of completely sealing up the bottom. 1/4" hardware cloth could be used for the vent or stapled behind some large holes to keep out critters.
Since I have no experience with a setup of this kind, my thoughts are just that, my thoughts. I am thinking houses with crawl spaces always have vents. I am guessing it has to do with moisture.

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Post  MrBooker on 2/25/2017, 11:55 am

@ralitaco wrote:Thanks MrB.
Is that Marine Grade Plywood?

I thought that was mulch. FWIW, I think removing it is a good idea, not only to take away a path for the tree roots, but also to allow air under the plywood to help it dry out some.
You say you are going to close in the bottom with pallet wood, but I am wondering if you need to put a vent on each side or a few holes on each side instead of completely sealing up the bottom. 1/4" hardware cloth could be used for the vent or stapled behind some large holes to keep out critters.
Since I have no experience with a setup of this kind, my thoughts are just that, my thoughts. I am thinking houses with crawl spaces always have vents. I am guessing it has to do with moisture.  

Thanks Ralitaco. My wife just came up with the idea of putting green construction fence around the bottom. Your correct about the air flow which I didn't think of. Thanks.
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Post  sanderson on 2/25/2017, 4:25 pm

Short on time but I wanted to "Like" your beds, Mr. B. I think air flow is important. Jimmy, Camp and I all have air flow, one way or another. I currently have 3/8" holes, one per square, one in each of the 4 corners of the box. Plus weed fabric to keep the mix in.

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Post  sanderson on 2/13/2018, 1:59 pm

Bumping this thread for Newbies building their first raised bed(s). I found shrub, rose and tree roots invading my boxes a year out from building the beds. Sad

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Post  AtlantaMarie on 2/13/2018, 4:26 pm

And let's not forget privet. Danged thing was removed about 8 years ago & the roots would STILL like to take over.
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Post  sanderson on 2/13/2018, 9:49 pm

Yep

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Post  Yardslave on 2/19/2018, 11:38 am

Don't forget about compost piles. I had a finished pile under a tarp that was removed from the bin and left aside for future use. The neighbors pepper tree and black walnut tree roots found their way to the pile and had a feast. The walnut tree also invaded the nearest box and hijacked my tomato plant's mix. If it's not the pests from above- it's the roots that creep in unseen!
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Post  sanderson on 2/19/2018, 6:23 pm

@Yardslave wrote:Don't forget about compost piles. I had a finished pile under a tarp that was removed from the bin and left aside for future use. The neighbors pepper tree and black walnut tree roots found their way to the pile and had a feast. The walnut tree also invaded the nearest box and hijacked my tomato plant's mix. If it's not the pests from above- it's the roots that creep in unseen!
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