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Post  Bart on 6/9/2016, 8:32 am

Hi Folks,

Okay, this question is a bit out of the box, get it? Okay here goes.

I've heard scary things about Four O'Clocks, that they take over the yard and can't be gotten rid of. True or false? Are they that big of a threat or should I plant them and enjoy the show? Your opinion, yea or nay?

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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/10/2016, 12:11 am

Bart, I am dealing with the same issue with wild carrot (Dara) that I have germinated. Yes, it is Queen Anne' Lace, and yes it is a weed. Invasive? No. At least not in my experience or locale. I grew up with the stuff. It is pretty. Bees love it. Yes, it is non-native. An introduced species.

But I do not think your Four O'clocks or my Dara are trying to replace anything that is naturally supporting any threatened species, such as milkweed and Monarchs! Do it. There is always Round Up ( yes, I said it) if it gets crazy! But keep the RU away from your butterfly/bee patch! Location, location, location! tongue

I love 4 O'clocks, and so do hummers and bees! I say plant away!
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Post  yolos on 6/10/2016, 12:17 am

Four O'clocks reseed easily.  If you do not want it to reseed, just remove the seeds after the flower dies.  If I remember correctly, there is only one seed in each flower and it is very prominent and easy to remove.  Tubers will grow and the plant will regrow the following year if mulched over the winter.  At least that is my experience here in Georgia.  These were planted from seed in the spring of 2015.  They died when it got cold and regrew in the spring this year.  I removed all the seeds as the flowers dried because I wanted to save the seeds to plant the next year.  It turns out I did not need to replant seeds because the plants regrew from tubers.  I do not know what would have happened if I did not remove all the seeds last year.   Also, I do not know if the tubers will divide and become invasive in later years.  
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/10/2016, 12:29 am

OK, I am on the wrong plant. I am thinking of Morning Glories. Not 4'O clocks. I have never grown those!
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Post  hammock gal on 6/10/2016, 7:19 am

I love morning glories, but they will reseed, and pop up in places where you don't necessarily want them, and can be tough to get rid of, at least for me. A couple of others not to plant unless you want them everywhere...gooseneck loosestrife and sensitive fern. I've been trying to get rid of them for years, and getting nowhere fast. But if you have a place where you don't mind the morning glories going crazy, I say go for it. They're sooo pretty, especially Heavenly Blue and Grandpa Ott.
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Post  Scorpio Rising on 6/10/2016, 8:16 am

I agree, hammockgirl! I have gooseneck loosestrife in 2 spots, and they just keep expanding! Morning glories I think reseed, so a little less problematic. But still?
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Post  hammock gal on 6/10/2016, 10:56 am

@Scorpio Rising wrote:I agree, hammockgirl!  I have gooseneck loosestrife in 2 spots, and they just keep expanding!  Morning glories I think reseed, so a little less problematic.  But still?  
And they will keep on expanding. They remind me of mint...you try to pull them up, and their roots go on for yards!!! I really don't like to use Round Up, but after trying to get rid of them for about 12 years, and seeing those suckers come back every spring, I may have to resort to it. Why can't they just behave? Laughing
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Post  CapeCoddess on 6/10/2016, 4:45 pm

Goutweed is my nemesis. Mad It has flowers just like Queen Anne Lace. And will revert to it's all green origin.

http://www.canadiangardening.com/how-to/pests-and-diseases/the-top-10-unwanted-garden-plants/a/32921
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Post  hammock gal on 6/11/2016, 9:10 am

@CapeCoddess wrote:Goutweed is my nemesis.  Mad   It has flowers just like Queen Anne Lace.  And will revert to it's all green origin.

http://www.canadiangardening.com/how-to/pests-and-diseases/the-top-10-unwanted-garden-plants/a/32921

Grrrrrrr...I have #2 on the list, the bittersweet vine. The first time I saw it, in the fall, with it's berries, I thought they were pretty, and left them alone. Now, years later, they're out of control, along with the Virginia Creeper.
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