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Post  SeanM on Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:27 am

I am investigating coco peat as an alternative to peat moss

Is there anything against using this approach.

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Post  Goosegirl on Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:11 am

Welcome to the forum SeanM!  Coco peat, also known as coir or coconut coir pith, is a perfectly acceptable substitute for peat moss.  In some areas rice hulls have been used as well.  In the mix, peat moss loosens the mix and does not break down quickly so it keeps the mix loose for years.  Coir serves that purpose very well. Type 'coir' into the search box in the top left corner of the webpage and you will find lots of discussion!

Have you read All New Square Foot Gardening 2nd Edition yet?  It is a fast and delightful read, and is the basis of the gardening method supported here on the forum.

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Post  Scorpio Rising on Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:32 am

glad you\'re here Sean! You will find lots of helpful advice here on SFG!
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Post  AtlantaMarie on Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:16 am

Hi Sean.  Welcome from Atlanta, GA (SE USA).  We're glad you've joined us!

The only question is if you have dogs.  Cocopeat can kill them.  There have been numerous cases on the internet.

We like photos...  And we love to cheer people on and to do experiments with our gardens.
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Post  donnainzone5 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:36 am

SeanM,

Several years ago, a study was done in Washington State comparing tomatoes started in peat moss vs. those started in coir.  The ones planted in peat moss did far better.

You may wish to visit this link at Dave's Garden for further discussion:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1127572/#b
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Post  sanderson on Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:08 pm

Hi Sean,  Welcome to the Forum from California, U.S.!  glad you\'re here   Some one from Queensland, AU joined last night. We in the Northern Hemisphere LOVE those of you "down under!"  Your gardens are booming while ours are starting to bust with winter approaching.  We also love photos so please post your gardening journey.

Coir, washed to remove salts, is an acceptable substitute for peat moss when PM is not available or prohibitive in cost. (basically the same reason because of shipping costs   Very Happy )  The number one ingredient is the Compost from as many different sources as you can find.  Many of us make our own. Please feel free to ask questions. We are a gabby and friendly (and benign) group. Very Happy

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Post  plantoid on Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:50 pm

Sean ,
I've been using nutrient added water re-hydrated composted coir waste for nearly five years , it decays a fair bit  faster than peat as peat has been aerobically well preserved by the de oxygenated water in the bog over many years .
 The nutrients were added for the initial bed filling exercise in some cases as like peat it is bereft of any at the beginning  & didn't have enough home made compost to hand .

  I have 21  x 9 sq foot or bigger veg beds & 8 x 9 sq ft or bigger flower beds

 That said , it is a workable substitute , if you work the beds when it's really wet the vermiculite will disintegrate  and combine with the decaying coir to give a fairly dense heavier growing medium that is still good for growing and absorbing water .
 
Two beds have had lots of coarse woody looking 2 yr old compost added  in Feb this year ....... made from mulched leaves , woody plants , mulched twigs  and household kitchen waste, plus  about 10 pounds of straw bale .
I added at about two & a half cubic feet of it per 9 square feet of bed.

Worked well in during March  this year ,  both beds have given a good account of themselves . One bed with some really big yellow strong eye watering onions and the other bed with lots of celery and some French climbing beans .
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Post  camprn on Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:54 am

@AtlantaMarie wrote:Hi Sean.  Welcome from Atlanta, GA (SE USA).  We're glad you've joined us!

The only question is if you have dogs.  Cocopeat can kill them.  There have been numerous cases on the internet.

We like photos...  And we love to cheer people on and to do experiments with our gardens.
I have never hear that coconut coir is poisonous to dogs. Perhaps you are confusing it with cocoa shell mulch?
https://www.aspca.org/pet-care/animal-poison-control/poison-control-okay-or-no-way

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Post  AtlantaMarie on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:52 am

That's a good possibility, Camprn...
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Post  donnainzone5 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:48 am

I believe that Camprn is correct.  Cocoa and coconut are two different things.
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Post  AtlantaMarie on Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:09 pm

She is.  I double-checked.  I was pretty out of it when I sent that...  You'd think I'd know better....   Embarassed
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Post  jimmy cee on Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:55 pm

@SeanM wrote:I am investigating coco peat as an alternative to peat moss

Is there anything against using this approach.

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I know your in New Zealand and this material is not likely to be there yet. However just for info purposes, a company in Pittsburgh, PA. USA has developed a peat moss alternative and it's called Pitt Moss. I was fortunate enough to acquire some at a local greenhouse last season, it is really nice.Everything grew as it should. This Co. is negotiating with some of the big box stores, even had a presence on Shark Tank, an investor reality show. You can see some videos on youtube regarding this product.. I am for it to replace my peat moss when Pitt Moss is available.


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Post  AtlantaMarie on Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:04 am

Oh, I remember seeing them, Jimmy.  Haven't seen it in stores yet, though...
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Post  jimmy cee on Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:16 am

@AtlantaMarie wrote:Oh, I remember seeing them, Jimmy.  Haven't seen it in stores yet, though...
The last bit of info I heard was, negotiations were going on with the big box stores.
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Post  walshevak on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:55 pm

According to sfg4ukim, they are still waiting on patent issues.  She met the owner in Pittsburgh this past weekend

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Post  SeanM on Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:38 pm

Just an update, I ended up using Bark Fines and this worked well.

Early Autumn now so need to consider what to do through this period in the garden.  Still having days of 31 degrees though.
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Post  sanderson on Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:12 pm

Sean, Will you be planting a winter garden? If I counted on my fingers correctly, around April 1st you should be able to set out some seedlings.

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Post  plantoid on Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:12 pm

@SeanM wrote:Just an update, I ended up using Bark Fines and this worked well.

Early Autumn now so need to consider what to do through this period in the garden.  Still having days of 31 degrees though.
  Make quality compost Sean , lots of it you , just can't have enough of it .

Make seed lists of stuff you like order them if you don't have any of them ,  then draw up the sowing charts &  plans ready for the off when your new growing season starts .

 You'll be surprised how short your winter appears to be when you do the above . Just don't try starting the season off too soon .
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