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Post  D Player on 4/10/2012, 4:58 pm

Hi all,
I was hoping to get some help identifying what this problem may be with my tomato plants. I’ve seen this before, but never so early in the season. It seems to be on every plant, I have seven different varieties and grew them from seeds in sterile soil. We had a lot of rain recently and then this. Any ideas? Thanks.

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Post  D Player on 4/10/2012, 5:09 pm

It doesn't look like the images of early blight. So I'm kinda at a loss.
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Post  Ha-v-v on 4/10/2012, 5:53 pm

Some times lots of rain throws me off too. If these were my tomatoes I would trim any extra leaves not necessary to the plant. I would give them all a side dressing of compost and a sprinkle of epsom salts or epsom salts in a pump sprayer for a foliar (sp) spray on them. I prefer to just put it next to the plant Im lazy :-D I never measure, I put maybe a tablespoon next to each plant so when I water it melts into the soil.

Epsom Salts in the Garden http://www.epsomsaltcouncil.org/garden/#

I keep a couple of bags of epsom salts in my garden at all times Smile

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Post  camprn on 4/10/2012, 7:46 pm

This to me just looks like splatter of water onto the leaves and perhaps sunscald. I see no signs of blight, it doesn't really look like chlorosis. can you give us a photo of the growing tips? I see blooms! Very Happy

There are numerous threads from the past two years about tomato diseases and conditions. Use the search feature to find some of them. Very Happy

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Post  AvaDGardner on 4/10/2012, 9:10 pm

@D Player...you'll find a more successful search results if you use the search controls at the bottom of the column to the left of this reply
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Just scroll down past all the Latest Topics.

The upper search puts you in google with all kinds of results. The bottom one keeps you in the forum.

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Post  D Player on 4/10/2012, 9:57 pm

Thanks guys,
I'll check it out.
@camprn growing tips look fine, blooms are coming out nicely, it's the older leaves that have this. Thanks again for the help!
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Post  camprn on 4/10/2012, 10:10 pm

D, Good to hear new growth sounds fine... I was looking at the pic again.... still not sure what I am looking at, but my gut is telling me, if those were mine, I would remove the effected stems...and throw them in the trash, not the compost.

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Post  AvaDGardner on 4/11/2012, 1:42 am

You might want to take them to the AG extension office. They can ID it for you and tell you what to do.
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Post  D Player on 4/12/2012, 12:49 pm

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Here's a pic of the new growth.
Trimmed off all the problem leaves. Added some epsom salt, figured it couldn't hurt. If the problem persist I'll try the AG extension office. I'll report back later, hopefully with good news.

Thanks again all.
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Post  givvmistamps on 4/12/2012, 12:57 pm

Hey, it looks great now! cheers cheers cheers

I have to ask, what did you put around it to support it? I have to find a solution this afternoon and this looks like it'll fit in my tomato planters.
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Post  D Player on 4/12/2012, 1:06 pm

That would be recycled fencing. Cheaper and sturdier than typical tomato cages.
It's similar to chicken wire that's plastic coated.
Cut and folded into shape. They are only about 4 ft high, I usually have to stake them as well, they are all indeterminate.
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Post  givvmistamps on 4/12/2012, 1:16 pm

Bummer, wish I knew where to find fencing to recycle.
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Post  D Player on 4/12/2012, 1:28 pm

Neighbors?
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Post  Hoggar on 4/12/2012, 1:36 pm

Just a thought....
I agree with camprn.
After the rain did it get warm and sunny?
It certainly looks like sun scald to me, the sun focused by
the rain drops like a magnifying glass can do nasty things
to plant leafs and car paint jobs.
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Post  givvmistamps on 4/12/2012, 1:42 pm

@D Player wrote:Neighbors?

Nobody we know has anything laying about the yard that would work. So, buy something I must!
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Post  D Player on 4/12/2012, 2:41 pm

@ Hoggar I believe it did, hope that's what it is. I water through a drip system so it's not my doing. Time will tell.
Thanks for the input.
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Post  Squat_Johnson on 4/12/2012, 4:06 pm

Not sure, maybe phosphorus deficient. Looks like you have it solved, but here is my favorite troubleshooting page for those browsing...

http://www.haifa-group.com/knowledge_center/crop_guides/tomato/plant_nutrition/nutrient_deficiency_symptoms/
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Post  givvmistamps on 5/12/2012, 12:34 pm

I can't tell if I have a disease, deficiency, or just stressed tomatoes trying to recover from a hailstorm almost a week ago. This is mostly on the older leaves, particularly those large leaves that were hit by first leaf miners (I squished them per instructions I found somewhere) then by the hailstorm which damaged larger leaves throughout my garden. If I cut off all my damaged leaves, the plants would only have small, new leaves, so I had left some that didn't look as bad. All the larger, older leaves I left on the affected plants to help them with photosynthesis needs now look like this, though this is the worst example:

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Someone help me decide what to do, please? Feed them, cut off damaged leaves entirely, whatever. I need to do something so I don't lose the little harvest chances I have before they quit producing due to the extreme heat of our summers; I have loads of blossoms and quite a few tomatoes growing. Here is an overall look at affected plants:

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I'm also trying to decide if I should start new tomato plants from seed for the fall...if these are struggling so much now, I'm concerned they won't make it through the summer heat to begin producing again when the temperatures drop. Any input on that?
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Post  acara on 5/12/2012, 3:00 pm

Frst question would be ...what variety is that ?


You may have a combination of issues. I can see the hail damage, but I also see "trails" (from insects larvae).

Cut off the bad stuff and dispose of it somewhere away from the garden.

If you go out at night with a flashlight, I suspect you'll see whats causing that (look for whtiish moths and larve crawling). A little seven dust at the base of the plant (or something more earth friendly), will fix that right up (leafcutters).

Honestly, your plants ont look that bad. I don't think there is a need to "jump ship" and start looking towards fall for a harvest.

As much as folks think tomatoes "self grow" in Zone 9 .... there is hardly a day that we aren't fighting something on our toms (bud, fungus, virus) ..... so I don't think yours look to "sickly" to produce decent fruit.

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Post  yolos on 5/12/2012, 4:03 pm


Not sure, maybe phosphorus deficient. Looks like you have it solved, but here is my favorite troubleshooting page for those browsing...

http://www.haifa-group.com/knowledge_center/crop_guides/tomato/plant_nutrition/nutrient_deficiency_symptoms/

Thanks for the link Squat. I found out that my partial yellowing of new leaves is an iron deficiency from looking at you link.
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Post  givvmistamps on 5/12/2012, 7:43 pm

Thanks for responding, acara. As far as what types they are, the 1st 2 are the same plant, a Husky Cherry Red hybrid. Third & fourh are Romas, and fifth is a Heatmaster hybrid.

I did as you suggested, cutting off the leaves that are affected, and now my tomato plants look more like strange bonsais, especially the cherry tomato. Hope they take the hint and grow new, healthy leaves soon.

I definitely need to find an organic alternative to Seven, as the whole reason I'm growing my own is to protect myself and my family from all the chemicals used on foods at the grocery. Right now I have neem oil and Organocide by Organic Laboratories, Inc. I'll have to find out if one of those might work, otherwise I'll have to visit the store tomorrow.

I certainly don't expect my garden to be problem-free, but I was concerned because this was affecting all of the large, older leaves. The thing is, I've never grown anything successfully in FL. I did pretty well in VA and the mountains of NC, but it's a good 10*F hotter here, at the very least, and I had to start in early April due to circumstances in my family. I keep reading that tomatoes can't self-pollinate when temperatures are too high, but I'd really like to have some sort of harvest before the non-hybrid plants that aren't heat-tolerant (four Romas, 2 of which aren't pictured above) shut down production until the fall. I did have my husband move them to where they'll get morning sun, then dappled sun in the afternoons. Hopefully that will help.

This is my "learning summer". Next year I'll be planting a lot more of everything, so I want to learn as much as possible so I know what to look for when I have a garden that's at least 3x as big.
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Post  acara on 5/12/2012, 8:48 pm

Unfortunately, my experience with Neem oil has been that it's a great "preventative", but I've never been able to "cure" anything with it.

I apply the Neem weekly, as soon as I get them in the ground, but switch to something else, if they do develop something.

As far as the trimming goes ... as long as its an indeterminate, go nuts ...... I prune my almost daily & its never affected my production.
The only thing you have to be careful of on the larger varieties is once they set fruit, you need to leave some foliage around them to protect from sun-scald.
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Post  mrwes40 on 5/13/2012, 6:04 am

@givvmistamps wrote:Thanks for responding, acara. As far as what types they are, the 1st 2 are the same plant, a Husky Cherry Red hybrid. Third & fourh are Romas, and fifth is a Heatmaster hybrid.

I did as you suggested, cutting off the leaves that are affected, and now my tomato plants look more like strange bonsais, especially the cherry tomato. Hope they take the hint and grow new, healthy leaves soon.

I definitely need to find an organic alternative to Seven, as the whole reason I'm growing my own is to protect myself and my family from all the chemicals used on foods at the grocery. Right now I have neem oil and Organocide by Organic Laboratories, Inc. I'll have to find out if one of those might work, otherwise I'll have to visit the store tomorrow.

I certainly don't expect my garden to be problem-free, but I was concerned because this was affecting all of the large, older leaves. The thing is, I've never grown anything successfully in FL. I did pretty well in VA and the mountains of NC, but it's a good 10*F hotter here, at the very least, and I had to start in early April due to circumstances in my family. I keep reading that tomatoes can't self-pollinate when temperatures are too high, but I'd really like to have some sort of harvest before the non-hybrid plants that aren't heat-tolerant (four Romas, 2 of which aren't pictured above) shut down production until the fall. I did have my husband move them to where they'll get morning sun, then dappled sun in the afternoons. Hopefully that will help.

This is my "learning summer". Next year I'll be planting a lot more of everything, so I want to learn as much as possible so I know what to look for when I have a garden that's at least 3x as big.

What about Pyola

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Post  givvmistamps on 5/13/2012, 12:05 pm

Well, I tried the Organocide. I'll keep a close eye on the leaves and if it's not working, I'll look at Pyola (thanks for the suggestion Bill) and other possible remedies. I don't like using anything unless I have to because I'm afraid of killing off my many garden spiders and other beneficial insects. Not sure how this will affect my toads or skinks, either.
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